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FOSDEM 2011

2011-01-12T21:13:57Z

Nicola: /* Dev-Room Presentations and Events */

== FOSDEM 2011 Announcement ==

[http://fosdem.org/2011/ FOSDEM 2011] will take place at at the '''Université Libre de Bruxelles''', in '''Brussels''' on '''Saturday 5 and Sunday 6 February 2011'''.

This page is for organizing GNUstep's participation in the event. This includes the organization of a developer meeting
the Friday before FOSDEM.

== Organizer(s) ==

* Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf (lars dot sonchocky dash helldorf at hamburg dot de)
* is somebody else interested in lending me a hand?

== Who will attend FOSDEM ==

One of the main reasons people attend the event is that you can meet, and talk directly to, other developers, whom you would otherwise meet only virtually (on mailing lists, emails, newsgroups, IRC etc.). We expect many lead developers and contributors to be present, so if you have never met them, you shouldn't miss this occasion!

The following is a list of people of GNUstep fame who have confirmed (or denied) that they will be able to join us at the GNUstep meeting at FOSDEM 2011:

{| border="1"
! Name
! Presence
! Friday
4. Feb
! Saturday
5. Feb
! Sunday
6. Feb
! Special comments / topics
! Hotel

|-
| Lars S.-Helldorf || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || event organizer || t.b.d.
|-
| Nikolaus Schaller || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || QuantumSTEP || Loiuse, Rue Veydt
|-
| Quentin Mathé || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Étoilé || t.b.d
|-
| Niels Grewe || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Étoilé || t.b.d.
|-
| David Chisnall || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Étoilé || t.b.d
|-
| Sebastian Reitenbach || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || OpenBSD packages || t.b.d.
|-
| Nicolas Roard || Yes || No || Yes || Yes || Étoilé || t.b.d
|-
| Nicola Pero || Yes || No || Yes || Yes || GNUstep || t.b.d
|-
| t.b.d. || t.b.d. || t.b.d. || t.b.d. || t.b.d. || t.b.d. ||
|}

== Dev-Room Presentations and Events ==

The room at out disposal will be '''AW1.117''' (capacity is 31 seats; in the building "AW"),
-- on '''Saturday 2011-02-05''' from '''13:00''' to '''19:00'''

=== Call for participation ===

We are looking for people who want to give a talk, moderate a discussion, hold a hand ons (practice) / hacking session or organize a code sprint. Please send your proposals to [mailto:discuss-gnustep@gnu.org GNUstep discussion list], the organizers mentioned [[FOSDEM_2011#Organizers|above]] or - if you've got a wiki account - enter them right [http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2011&action=edit&section=6 here]. At first a title, a short summary, proposed duration and a preffered time slot would do, so we can start scheduling as soon as possible.

'''deadline for filing is t.b.d., deadline for the papers is t.b.d.'''

'''Note:''' The FOSDEM organizers strongly recommend a '''granularity of 15 minute blocks'''. So if a talk is just 15 (lightning talk), 30 or 45 minutes long - fine! But we should have 15 minutes breaks between the talks so that the visitors have enough time to find a seat and the presenters have enough time to get ready.

=== List of submitted talk/discussion/session proposals ===

* David Chisnall:
** t.b.d.
** t.b.d. (Yeah, David, I know you want to give some talks ;-))

* Nikolaus Schaller: Latest progress of Simple WebKit and QuantumSTEP, 45 min

* Quentin Mathé:
** Fast and Flexible UI Development with EtoileUI (overview and what's new since the previous FOSDEM), 45 to 60 mn
** Étoilé Status Update, 30 to 45 mn

* Niels Grewe: DBusKit (30min or lightning talk)

* Nicola Pero:
** Objective-C support in GCC 4.6, 30 min

=== Wishlist for talks/discussions/sessions ===

Enter talks/discussions/sessions here you would be interested in.

* CoreBase and CoreGraphics/Opal in GNUstep
* GNUstep Progresses and Roadmap
* DBusKit
* EtoileText (… I'm especially curious about the possibility to leverage OMeta to write the tree transform rules)
* LanguageKit Progresses
* How to develop a UIKit?

=== Schedule ===

{| border="1"
!width="65pt"| Time Slot !! width="130pt"| Author !! width="360pt"| Title / Abstract !! width="130pt"| Kind !! width="40pt" | Slides
|-
| colspan="5" style="background:#ddd;" | '''Saturday, Feb 05, 2011'''
|-
| 13:00 - xx:xx || GNUstep Developers || '''"GNUstep Developer's Meeting"'''

Meet the GNUstep developers face to face, discuss current afairs of GNUstep, share news about the latest development and plans on GNUstep, improve collaboration between the several GNUstep related projects

|| meeting, discussion || -
|-
| xx:xx - xx:xx || t.b.d. who is holding the event || '''t.b.d. The Title of the Event'''

t.b.d. some longer description here

|| t.b.d. what is it (talk, discussion, lecture, demo ...) || t.b.d. link to slides
|}

== Suggested Hotels ==

last year Sebastian Reitenbach and Nikolaus Schaller have booked here. Alk them on the mailing list on their Experience:

=== Louise Hotel ===
* 40, rue Veydt
* 1050 Bruxelles
* http://www.louisehotel.com/
* Sebastian Reitenbach says:
** book via: http://www.hotelreservierungen.de , which is cheaper than the offer on the hotel site. The reservation includes breakfast.
** free WiFi is available
** it costs only about half the price of the Argus hotel from last year.
** Its near avenue louise, only a foot walk away from the university campus.

=== Argus Hotel Brussels (Belguim) (good experiences from past years) ===
*6, Rue Capitaine Crespel
*B-1050 Bruxelles, Belgique
*Tel +32 2 514 07 70
*Fax +32 2 514 12 22
*reception@hotel-argus.be
*Rate: 65/night - but you have to ask for the 'GNUstep/FOSDEM' discount
*has free Internet ;-)

Normal prices are here:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukrates.htm

but there are discounts available:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukpromotions.htm

and we'll ask for even better discounts for a group booking (we need to know who's will be there for that!)

Some people booked that hotel in the last years: Nicolas, Marcus, Helge ,Lars.

=== Sun Hotel in Brussels (Belguim) (not recommended) ===
*Rue du Berger, 38
*1050 Brussels (near Porte de Namur)
*Tel : +32(0)2 511 21 19
*Fax : +32(0)2 512 32 71
*sunhotel@skynet.be
*www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-al/sunhotel.htm

*50 EUR/Single room with breakfast
*22 rooms total
*3km distance to University

has internet access, will make breakfast room available for developers after 11:00 am. Two electrical plugs for breakfast room, so need extension cord with additional plugs. Ask for first or second floor rooms close to reception for good wifi connections.

=== Hotel Sabina in Brussels (Belgium)===
*Rue du Nord 78
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel: (32)2 218 26 37
*Fax: (32)2 219 32 39
(very good rating by visitors)
63 EUR/Single with breakfast
8 single only + 16 double rooms
4,2km distance

=== Hotel Mozart in Bruxelles (Belgium)===
*Rue Marché aux Fromages 23
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel +32 2 502 66 61
*Fax +32 2 502 77 58
*Email Hotel.mozart@skynet.be
http://www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-center/mozart.htm

70 EUR/Single room NO breakfast
WLAN

51 rooms total
4,2km distance

We are open to other suggestions. Please take into account distance to the University and access to public transportation.

----
A quick introduction to Brussels:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Brussel

----

[[Category:FOSDEM]]

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FOSDEM 2011

2011-01-12T21:12:06Z

Nicola: /* Who will attend FOSDEM */

== FOSDEM 2011 Announcement ==

[http://fosdem.org/2011/ FOSDEM 2011] will take place at at the '''Université Libre de Bruxelles''', in '''Brussels''' on '''Saturday 5 and Sunday 6 February 2011'''.

This page is for organizing GNUstep's participation in the event. This includes the organization of a developer meeting
the Friday before FOSDEM.

== Organizer(s) ==

* Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf (lars dot sonchocky dash helldorf at hamburg dot de)
* is somebody else interested in lending me a hand?

== Who will attend FOSDEM ==

One of the main reasons people attend the event is that you can meet, and talk directly to, other developers, whom you would otherwise meet only virtually (on mailing lists, emails, newsgroups, IRC etc.). We expect many lead developers and contributors to be present, so if you have never met them, you shouldn't miss this occasion!

The following is a list of people of GNUstep fame who have confirmed (or denied) that they will be able to join us at the GNUstep meeting at FOSDEM 2011:

{| border="1"
! Name
! Presence
! Friday
4. Feb
! Saturday
5. Feb
! Sunday
6. Feb
! Special comments / topics
! Hotel

|-
| Lars S.-Helldorf || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || event organizer || t.b.d.
|-
| Nikolaus Schaller || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || QuantumSTEP || Loiuse, Rue Veydt
|-
| Quentin Mathé || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Étoilé || t.b.d
|-
| Niels Grewe || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Étoilé || t.b.d.
|-
| David Chisnall || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Étoilé || t.b.d
|-
| Sebastian Reitenbach || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || OpenBSD packages || t.b.d.
|-
| Nicolas Roard || Yes || No || Yes || Yes || Étoilé || t.b.d
|-
| Nicola Pero || Yes || No || Yes || Yes || GNUstep || t.b.d
|-
| t.b.d. || t.b.d. || t.b.d. || t.b.d. || t.b.d. || t.b.d. ||
|}

== Dev-Room Presentations and Events ==

The room at out disposal will be '''AW1.117''' (capacity is 31 seats; in the building "AW"),
-- on '''Saturday 2011-02-05''' from '''13:00''' to '''19:00'''

=== Call for participation ===

We are looking for people who want to give a talk, moderate a discussion, hold a hand ons (practice) / hacking session or organize a code sprint. Please send your proposals to [mailto:discuss-gnustep@gnu.org GNUstep discussion list], the organizers mentioned [[FOSDEM_2011#Organizers|above]] or - if you've got a wiki account - enter them right [http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2011&action=edit&section=6 here]. At first a title, a short summary, proposed duration and a preffered time slot would do, so we can start scheduling as soon as possible.

'''deadline for filing is t.b.d., deadline for the papers is t.b.d.'''

'''Note:''' The FOSDEM organizers strongly recommend a '''granularity of 15 minute blocks'''. So if a talk is just 15 (lightning talk), 30 or 45 minutes long - fine! But we should have 15 minutes breaks between the talks so that the visitors have enough time to find a seat and the presenters have enough time to get ready.

=== List of submitted talk/discussion/session proposals ===

* David Chisnall:
** t.b.d.
** t.b.d. (Yeah, David, I know you want to give some talks ;-))

* Nikolaus Schaller: Latest progress of Simple WebKit and QuantumSTEP, 45 min

* Quentin Mathé:
** Fast and Flexible UI Development with EtoileUI (overview and what's new since the previous FOSDEM), 45 to 60 mn
** Étoilé Status Update, 30 to 45 mn

* Niels Grewe: DBusKit (30min or lightning talk)
=== Wishlist for talks/discussions/sessions ===

Enter talks/discussions/sessions here you would be interested in.

* CoreBase and CoreGraphics/Opal in GNUstep
* GNUstep Progresses and Roadmap
* DBusKit
* EtoileText (… I'm especially curious about the possibility to leverage OMeta to write the tree transform rules)
* LanguageKit Progresses
* How to develop a UIKit?

=== Schedule ===

{| border="1"
!width="65pt"| Time Slot !! width="130pt"| Author !! width="360pt"| Title / Abstract !! width="130pt"| Kind !! width="40pt" | Slides
|-
| colspan="5" style="background:#ddd;" | '''Saturday, Feb 05, 2011'''
|-
| 13:00 - xx:xx || GNUstep Developers || '''"GNUstep Developer's Meeting"'''

Meet the GNUstep developers face to face, discuss current afairs of GNUstep, share news about the latest development and plans on GNUstep, improve collaboration between the several GNUstep related projects

|| meeting, discussion || -
|-
| xx:xx - xx:xx || t.b.d. who is holding the event || '''t.b.d. The Title of the Event'''

t.b.d. some longer description here

|| t.b.d. what is it (talk, discussion, lecture, demo ...) || t.b.d. link to slides
|}

== Suggested Hotels ==

last year Sebastian Reitenbach and Nikolaus Schaller have booked here. Alk them on the mailing list on their Experience:

=== Louise Hotel ===
* 40, rue Veydt
* 1050 Bruxelles
* http://www.louisehotel.com/
* Sebastian Reitenbach says:
** book via: http://www.hotelreservierungen.de , which is cheaper than the offer on the hotel site. The reservation includes breakfast.
** free WiFi is available
** it costs only about half the price of the Argus hotel from last year.
** Its near avenue louise, only a foot walk away from the university campus.

=== Argus Hotel Brussels (Belguim) (good experiences from past years) ===
*6, Rue Capitaine Crespel
*B-1050 Bruxelles, Belgique
*Tel +32 2 514 07 70
*Fax +32 2 514 12 22
*reception@hotel-argus.be
*Rate: 65/night - but you have to ask for the 'GNUstep/FOSDEM' discount
*has free Internet ;-)

Normal prices are here:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukrates.htm

but there are discounts available:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukpromotions.htm

and we'll ask for even better discounts for a group booking (we need to know who's will be there for that!)

Some people booked that hotel in the last years: Nicolas, Marcus, Helge ,Lars.

=== Sun Hotel in Brussels (Belguim) (not recommended) ===
*Rue du Berger, 38
*1050 Brussels (near Porte de Namur)
*Tel : +32(0)2 511 21 19
*Fax : +32(0)2 512 32 71
*sunhotel@skynet.be
*www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-al/sunhotel.htm

*50 EUR/Single room with breakfast
*22 rooms total
*3km distance to University

has internet access, will make breakfast room available for developers after 11:00 am. Two electrical plugs for breakfast room, so need extension cord with additional plugs. Ask for first or second floor rooms close to reception for good wifi connections.

=== Hotel Sabina in Brussels (Belgium)===
*Rue du Nord 78
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel: (32)2 218 26 37
*Fax: (32)2 219 32 39
(very good rating by visitors)
63 EUR/Single with breakfast
8 single only + 16 double rooms
4,2km distance

=== Hotel Mozart in Bruxelles (Belgium)===
*Rue Marché aux Fromages 23
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel +32 2 502 66 61
*Fax +32 2 502 77 58
*Email Hotel.mozart@skynet.be
http://www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-center/mozart.htm

70 EUR/Single room NO breakfast
WLAN

51 rooms total
4,2km distance

We are open to other suggestions. Please take into account distance to the University and access to public transportation.

----
A quick introduction to Brussels:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Brussel

----

[[Category:FOSDEM]]

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|}

FOSDEM 2010

2009-10-20T08:02:40Z

Nicola: /* Who will attend FOSDEM */

== FOSDEM 2010 Announcement ==

[http://fosdem.org/2010/ FOSDEM 2010] will take place at at the '''Université Libre de Bruxelles''', in '''Brussels''' on '''Saturday 6 and Sunday 7 February 2010'''.

This page is for organizing GNUstep's participation in the event. This includes the organization of a developer meeting
the Friday before FOSDEM.

== Organizers ==

* Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
* t.b.d.

== Who will attend FOSDEM ==

One of the main reasons people attend the event is that you can meet, and talk directly to, other developers, whom you would otherwise meet only virtually (on mailing lists, emails, newsgroups, IRC etc.). We expect many lead developers and contributors to be present, so if you have never met them, you shouldn't miss this occasion!

The following is a list of people of GNUstep fame who have confirmed (or denied) that they will be able to join us at the GNUstep meeting at FOSDEM 2010:

{| border="1"
! Name
! Presence
! Friday
! Saturday
! Sunday
! Special comments

|-
| Lars S.-Helldorf || likely || likely || likely || likely ||
|-
| Nicola Pero || Yes || No || Yes || Yes ||
|-
| Nicolas Roard || likely || likely || likely || likely ||
|-
| Gerold Rupprecht || likely || likely || likely || likely ||
|-
| Nikolaus Schaller || probably || tbd. || tbd. || tbd. ||
|}

== Suggested Hotels ==

Thanks to Nikolaus Schaller who has done some initial research as follows:

=== Argus Hotel Brussels (Belguim) (good experiences from last year) ===
*6, Rue Capitaine Crespel
*B-1050 Bruxelles, Belgique
*Tel +32 2 514 07 70
*Fax +32 2 514 12 22
*reception@hotel-argus.be
*Rate: 65/night - but you have to ask for the 'GNUstep/FOSDEM' discount
*has free Internet ;-)

Normal prices are here:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukrates.htm

but there are discounts available:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukpromotions.htm

and we'll ask for even better discounts for a group booking (we need to know who's will be there for that!)

Some people booked that hotel: Nicolas, Marcus, Helge ,Lars.

=== Sun Hotel in Brussels (Belguim) (not recommended) ===
*Rue du Berger, 38
*1050 Brussels (near Porte de Namur)
*Tel : +32(0)2 511 21 19
*Fax : +32(0)2 512 32 71
*sunhotel@skynet.be
*www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-al/sunhotel.htm

*50 EUR/Single room with breakfast
*22 rooms total
*3km distance to University

has internet access, will make breakfast room available for developers after 11:00 am. Two electrical plugs for breakfast room, so need extension cord with additional plugs. Ask for first or second floor rooms close to reception for good wifi connections.

=== Hotel Sabina in Brussels (Belgium)===
*Rue du Nord 78
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel: (32)2 218 26 37
*Fax: (32)2 219 32 39
(very good rating by visitors)
63 EUR/Single with breakfast
8 single only + 16 double rooms
4,2km distance

=== Hotel Mozart in Bruxelles (Belgium)===
*Rue Marché aux Fromages 23
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel +32 2 502 66 61
*Fax +32 2 502 77 58
*Email Hotel.mozart@skynet.be
http://www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-center/mozart.htm

70 EUR/Single room NO breakfast
WLAN

51 rooms total
4,2km distance

We are open to other suggestions. Please take into account distance to the University and access to public transportation.

----
A quick introduction to Brussels:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Brussel

----

[[Category:FOSDEM]]

FOSDEM 2009

2009-01-09T09:57:42Z

Nicola: /* Dev-Room Presentations and Events */

== FOSDEM 2009 Announcement ==

[http://www.fosdem.org/2009/ FOSDEM 2009] will take place at at the '''Université Libre de Bruxelles''', in '''Brussels''' on the '''7/8. Feb 2009'''.

This page is for organizing GNUstep's participation in the event. This includes the organization of a developer meeting
the Friday before FOSDEM.

Note: this year we will have a joint devroom for GNUstep + Etoilé + OpenGroupware.org but no stand/booth since running a stand consumes a lot of effort and there were complaints about the split up of folks between the devroom and the stand in the years before (and until now less people than in the years before have confirmed an attendance at FOSDEM this year)

== Organizers ==

* Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
* t.b.d.

== Who will attend FOSDEM ==

One of the main reasons people attend the event is that you can meet, and talk directly to, other developers, whom you would otherwise meet only virtually (on mailing lists, emails, newsgroups, IRC etc.). We expect many lead developers and contributors to be present, so if you have never met them, you shouldn't miss this occasion!

The following is a list of people of GNUstep fame who have confirmed (or denied) that they will be able to join us at the GNUstep meeting at FOSDEM 2009:

{| border="1"
! Name
! Presence
! Friday
! Saturday
! Sunday
! Special comments

|-
| Richard Frith-Macdonald || yes || ? || yes || yes || GNUstep-base
|-
| Helge Hess || yes || (arriving ~3PM) || yes || yes || [[http://www.OpenGroupware.org OpenGroupware.org]]
|-
| Lars S.-Helldorf || yes || ? || x || x ||
|-
| Graham Lee || ? || ? || ? || ? ||
|-
| Quentin Mathé || unlikely || ? || ? || ? || Étoilé
|-
| Nicola Pero || yes || || yes || yes || GNUstep-make
|-
| Nicolas Roard || ? || ? || ? || ? || Étoilé
|-
| Jesse Ross || ? || ? || ? || ? || Étoilé
|-
| Gerold Rupprecht || ? || ? || ? || ? ||
|-
| Gregory Casamento || ? || ? || ? || ? || GORM, GNUstep Chief Maintainer
|-
| Riccardo Mottola || probably not, but I can provide and organize material for others on my topics || ? || ? || ? || BSD Ports, [[http://www.nongnu.org/gap/ GNUstep Application Project]]: LaternaMagica, Vespucci, FTP; PRICE
|-
| Nikolaus Schaller || no (unfortunately) but I will provide an Openmoko and a Minibook for the Demo || - || - || - || mySTEP, [[http://www.quantum-step.com QuantumSTEP]], [[http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/SimpleWebKit Simple WebKit]], GSCoreData
|-
| Gürkan Sengün || ? || ? || ? || ? || http://livecd.gnustep.org
|-
| Fred Kiefer || most likely not || - || - || - || GNUstep-gui, back
|-
| Sašo Kiselkov || ? || ? || ? || ? || GSCoreData, DataBuilder
|-
| Ludovic Marcotte || ? || ? || ? || ? || [[http://sogo.opengroupware.org ScalableOGo]]
|-
| Marcus Mueller || ? || ? || ? || ? || [[http://sope.opengroupware.org SOPE]]

|}

== Dev-Room Presentations and Events ==

'''deadline for the papers is Monday 2009-01-12'''

The room at out disposal will be AW1.117 (capacity is 31 seats; in the building "AW"),
-- on Saturday 2009-02-07 from 12:00 to 18:00
-- on Sunday 2009-02-08 from 09:00 to 17:00

Note that on Saturday, it ''is'' possible to use the room before 11:00

{| border="1"
!width="120pt"| Day !! width="100pt"| Time Slot !! width="120pt"| Author !! width="250pt"| Title !! width="150pt"| Slides
|-
| Saturday
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 12:00 - 13:00 || Richard F-M || Theming in GNUstep || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 13:00 - 14:00 || lunchbreak
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 14:00 - 15:00 || Helge Hess || ScalableOGo || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 15:00 - 16:00 || Nicola Pero || Cross-Platform Objective-C Development using GNUstep (Presentation) || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 16:00 - 17:00 || Richard F-M || Web Services in Objective-C || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 17:00 - 18:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sunday
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 09:00 - 10:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 10:00 - 11:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 11:00 - 12:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 12:00 - 13:00 || Nicola Pero || Building Server Applications using Objective-C and GNUstep (Tutorial) || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 13:00 - 14:00 || lunchbreak
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 14:00 - 15:00 || Helge Hess || GroupDAV/CalDAV Implementors Meeting (to be organized) || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 15:00 - 16:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 16:00 - 17:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|}

Note: Does anyone have a projector for the talks? The FOSDEM organisation will gives us one if needed, but having our own would be more convenient (if only to have a good one, remember last year)

== Suggested Hotels ==

Thanks to Nikolaus Schaller who has done some initial research as follows:

=== Argus Hotel Brussels (Belguim) (good experiences from last year) ===
*6, Rue Capitaine Crespel
*B-1050 Bruxelles, Belgique
*Tel +32 2 514 07 70
*Fax +32 2 514 12 22
*reception@hotel-argus.be

Normal prices are here:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukrates.htm

but there are discounts available:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukpromotions.htm

and we'll ask for even better discounts for a group booking (we need to know who's will be there for that!)

=== Sun Hotel in Brussels (Belguim) (not recommended) ===
*Rue du Berger, 38
*1050 Brussels (near Porte de Namur)
*Tel : +32(0)2 511 21 19
*Fax : +32(0)2 512 32 71
*sunhotel@skynet.be
*www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-al/sunhotel.htm

*50 EUR/Single room with breakfast
*22 rooms total
*3km distance to University

has internet access, will make breakfast room available for developers after 11:00 am. Two electrical plugs for breakfast room, so need extension cord with additional plugs. Ask for first or second floor rooms close to reception for good wifi connections.

=== Hotel Sabina in Brussels (Belgium)===
*Rue du Nord 78
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel: (32)2 218 26 37
*Fax: (32)2 219 32 39
(very good rating by visitors)
63 EUR/Single with breakfast
8 single only + 16 double rooms
4,2km distance

=== Hotel Mozart in Bruxelles (Belgium)===
*Rue Marché aux Fromages 23
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel +32 2 502 66 61
*Fax +32 2 502 77 58
*Email Hotel.mozart@skynet.be
http://www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-center/mozart.htm

70 EUR/Single room NO breakfast
WLAN

51 rooms total
4,2km distance

We are open to other suggestions. Please take into account distance to the University and access to public transportation.

----
A quick introduction to Brussels:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Brussel

----

FOSDEM 2009

2009-01-09T09:53:24Z

Nicola: /* Dev-Room Presentations and Events */

== FOSDEM 2009 Announcement ==

[http://www.fosdem.org/2009/ FOSDEM 2009] will take place at at the '''Université Libre de Bruxelles''', in '''Brussels''' on the '''7/8. Feb 2009'''.

This page is for organizing GNUstep's participation in the event. This includes the organization of a developer meeting
the Friday before FOSDEM.

Note: this year we will have a joint devroom for GNUstep + Etoilé + OpenGroupware.org but no stand/booth since running a stand consumes a lot of effort and there were complaints about the split up of folks between the devroom and the stand in the years before (and until now less people than in the years before have confirmed an attendance at FOSDEM this year)

== Organizers ==

* Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
* t.b.d.

== Who will attend FOSDEM ==

One of the main reasons people attend the event is that you can meet, and talk directly to, other developers, whom you would otherwise meet only virtually (on mailing lists, emails, newsgroups, IRC etc.). We expect many lead developers and contributors to be present, so if you have never met them, you shouldn't miss this occasion!

The following is a list of people of GNUstep fame who have confirmed (or denied) that they will be able to join us at the GNUstep meeting at FOSDEM 2009:

{| border="1"
! Name
! Presence
! Friday
! Saturday
! Sunday
! Special comments

|-
| Richard Frith-Macdonald || yes || ? || yes || yes || GNUstep-base
|-
| Helge Hess || yes || (arriving ~3PM) || yes || yes || [[http://www.OpenGroupware.org OpenGroupware.org]]
|-
| Lars S.-Helldorf || yes || ? || x || x ||
|-
| Graham Lee || ? || ? || ? || ? ||
|-
| Quentin Mathé || unlikely || ? || ? || ? || Étoilé
|-
| Nicola Pero || yes || || yes || yes || GNUstep-make
|-
| Nicolas Roard || ? || ? || ? || ? || Étoilé
|-
| Jesse Ross || ? || ? || ? || ? || Étoilé
|-
| Gerold Rupprecht || ? || ? || ? || ? ||
|-
| Gregory Casamento || ? || ? || ? || ? || GORM, GNUstep Chief Maintainer
|-
| Riccardo Mottola || probably not, but I can provide and organize material for others on my topics || ? || ? || ? || BSD Ports, [[http://www.nongnu.org/gap/ GNUstep Application Project]]: LaternaMagica, Vespucci, FTP; PRICE
|-
| Nikolaus Schaller || no (unfortunately) but I will provide an Openmoko and a Minibook for the Demo || - || - || - || mySTEP, [[http://www.quantum-step.com QuantumSTEP]], [[http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/SimpleWebKit Simple WebKit]], GSCoreData
|-
| Gürkan Sengün || ? || ? || ? || ? || http://livecd.gnustep.org
|-
| Fred Kiefer || most likely not || - || - || - || GNUstep-gui, back
|-
| Sašo Kiselkov || ? || ? || ? || ? || GSCoreData, DataBuilder
|-
| Ludovic Marcotte || ? || ? || ? || ? || [[http://sogo.opengroupware.org ScalableOGo]]
|-
| Marcus Mueller || ? || ? || ? || ? || [[http://sope.opengroupware.org SOPE]]

|}

== Dev-Room Presentations and Events ==

'''deadline for the papers is Monday 2009-01-12'''

The room at out disposal will be AW1.117 (capacity is 31 seats; in the building "AW"),
-- on Saturday 2009-02-07 from 12:00 to 18:00
-- on Sunday 2009-02-08 from 09:00 to 17:00

Note that on Saturday, it ''is'' possible to use the room before 11:00

{| border="1"
!width="120pt"| Day !! width="100pt"| Time Slot !! width="120pt"| Author !! width="250pt"| Title !! width="150pt"| Slides
|-
| Saturday
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 12:00 - 13:00 || Richard F-M || Theming in GNUstep || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 13:00 - 14:00 || lunchbreak
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 14:00 - 15:00 || Helge Hess || ScalableOGo || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 15:00 - 16:00 || Nicola Pero || Cross-Platform Objective-C Development using GNUstep (Presentation) || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 16:00 - 17:00 || Richard F-M || Web Services in Objective-C || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 17:00 - 18:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sunday
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 09:00 - 10:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 10:00 - 11:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 11:00 - 12:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 12:00 - 13:00 || Nicola Pero || Building Server Applications using GNUstep (Tutorial) || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 13:00 - 14:00 || lunchbreak
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 14:00 - 15:00 || Helge Hess || GroupDAV/CalDAV Implementors Meeting (to be organized) || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 15:00 - 16:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 16:00 - 17:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|}

Note: Does anyone have a projector for the talks? The FOSDEM organisation will gives us one if needed, but having our own would be more convenient (if only to have a good one, remember last year)

== Suggested Hotels ==

Thanks to Nikolaus Schaller who has done some initial research as follows:

=== Argus Hotel Brussels (Belguim) (good experiences from last year) ===
*6, Rue Capitaine Crespel
*B-1050 Bruxelles, Belgique
*Tel +32 2 514 07 70
*Fax +32 2 514 12 22
*reception@hotel-argus.be

Normal prices are here:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukrates.htm

but there are discounts available:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukpromotions.htm

and we'll ask for even better discounts for a group booking (we need to know who's will be there for that!)

=== Sun Hotel in Brussels (Belguim) (not recommended) ===
*Rue du Berger, 38
*1050 Brussels (near Porte de Namur)
*Tel : +32(0)2 511 21 19
*Fax : +32(0)2 512 32 71
*sunhotel@skynet.be
*www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-al/sunhotel.htm

*50 EUR/Single room with breakfast
*22 rooms total
*3km distance to University

has internet access, will make breakfast room available for developers after 11:00 am. Two electrical plugs for breakfast room, so need extension cord with additional plugs. Ask for first or second floor rooms close to reception for good wifi connections.

=== Hotel Sabina in Brussels (Belgium)===
*Rue du Nord 78
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel: (32)2 218 26 37
*Fax: (32)2 219 32 39
(very good rating by visitors)
63 EUR/Single with breakfast
8 single only + 16 double rooms
4,2km distance

=== Hotel Mozart in Bruxelles (Belgium)===
*Rue Marché aux Fromages 23
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel +32 2 502 66 61
*Fax +32 2 502 77 58
*Email Hotel.mozart@skynet.be
http://www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-center/mozart.htm

70 EUR/Single room NO breakfast
WLAN

51 rooms total
4,2km distance

We are open to other suggestions. Please take into account distance to the University and access to public transportation.

----
A quick introduction to Brussels:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Brussel

----

FOSDEM 2009

2009-01-03T21:53:27Z

Nicola: /* Who will attend FOSDEM */

== FOSDEM 2009 Announcement ==

[http://www.fosdem.org/2009/ FOSDEM 2009] will take place at at the '''Université Libre de Bruxelles''', in '''Brussels''' on the '''7/8. Feb 2009'''.

This page is for organizing GNUstep's participation in the event. This includes the organization of a developer meeting
the Friday before FOSDEM.

Note: this year we will have a joint devroom for GNUstep + Etoilé + OpenGroupware.org but no stand/booth since running a stand consumes a lot of effort and there were complaints about the split up of folks between the devroom and the stand in the years before (and until now less people than in the years before have confirmed an attendance at FOSDEM this year)

== Organizers ==

* Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
* t.b.d.

== Who will attend FOSDEM ==

One of the main reasons people attend the event is that you can meet, and talk directly to, other developers, whom you would otherwise meet only virtually (on mailing lists, emails, newsgroups, IRC etc.). We expect many lead developers and contributors to be present, so if you have never met them, you shouldn't miss this occasion!

The following is a list of people of GNUstep fame who have confirmed (or denied) that they will be able to join us at the GNUstep meeting at FOSDEM 2009:

{| border="1"
! Name
! Presence
! Friday
! Saturday
! Sunday
! Special comments

|-
| Richard Frith-Macdonald || yes || ? || yes || yes || GNUstep-base
|-
| Helge Hess || yes || (arriving ~3PM) || yes || yes || [[http://www.OpenGroupware.org OpenGroupware.org]]
|-
| Lars S.-Helldorf || yes || ? || x || x ||
|-
| Graham Lee || ? || ? || ? || ? ||
|-
| Quentin Mathé || ? || ? || ? || ? || Étoilé
|-
| Nicola Pero || yes || || yes || yes || GNUstep-make
|-
| Nicolas Roard || ? || ? || ? || ? || Étoilé
|-
| Jesse Ross || ? || ? || ? || ? || Étoilé
|-
| Gerold Rupprecht || ? || ? || ? || ? ||
|-
| Gregory Casamento || ? || ? || ? || ? || GORM, GNUstep Chief Maintainer
|-
| Riccardo Mottola || probably not, but I can provide and organize material for others on my topics || ? || ? || ? || BSD Ports, [[http://www.nongnu.org/gap/ GNUstep Application Project]]: LaternaMagica, Vespucci, FTP; PRICE
|-
| Nikolaus Schaller || no (unfortunately) but I will provide an Openmoko and a Minibook for the Demo || - || - || - || mySTEP, [[http://www.quantum-step.com QuantumSTEP]], [[http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/SimpleWebKit Simple WebKit]], GSCoreData
|-
| Gürkan Sengün || ? || ? || ? || ? || http://livecd.gnustep.org
|-
| Fred Kiefer || most likely not || - || - || - || GNUstep-gui, back
|-
| Sašo Kiselkov || ? || ? || ? || ? || GSCoreData, DataBuilder
|-
| Ludovic Marcotte || ? || ? || ? || ? || [[http://sogo.opengroupware.org ScalableOGo]]
|-
| Marcus Mueller || ? || ? || ? || ? || [[http://sope.opengroupware.org SOPE]]

|}

== Dev-Room Presentations and Events ==

The room at out disposal will be AW1.117 (capacity is 31 seats; in the building "AW"),
-- on Saturday 2009-02-07 from 12:00 to 18:00
-- on Sunday 2009-02-08 from 09:00 to 17:00

Note that on Saturday, it ''is'' possible to use the room before 11:00

{| border="1"
!width="120pt"| Day !! width="100pt"| Time Slot !! width="120pt"| Author !! width="250pt"| Title !! width="150pt"| Slides
|-
| Saturday
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 12:00 - 13:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 13:00 - 14:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 14:00 - 15:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 15:00 - 16:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 16:00 - 17:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 16:00 - 17:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sat. Feb 07, 2009 || 17:00 - 18:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sunday
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 09:00 - 10:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 10:00 - 11:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 11:00 - 12:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 12:00 - 13:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 13:00 - 14:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 14:00 - 15:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 15:00 - 16:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 16:00 - 17:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|-
| Sun. Feb 08, 2009 || 16:00 - 17:00 || t.b.d. || t.b.d || t.b.d.
|}

Note: Does anyone have a projector for the talks? The FOSDEM organisation will gives us one if needed, but having our own would be more convenient (if only to have a good one, remember last year)

== Suggested Hotels ==

Thanks to Nikolaus Schaller who has done some initial research as follows:

=== Argus Hotel Brussels (Belguim) (good experiences from last year) ===
*6, Rue Capitaine Crespel
*B-1050 Bruxelles, Belgique
*Tel +32 2 514 07 70
*Fax +32 2 514 12 22
*reception@hotel-argus.be

Normal prices are here:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukrates.htm

but there are discounts available:

http://www.hotel-argus.be/ukpromotions.htm

and we'll ask for even better discounts for a group booking (we need to know who's will be there for that!)

=== Sun Hotel in Brussels (Belguim) (not recommended) ===
*Rue du Berger, 38
*1050 Brussels (near Porte de Namur)
*Tel : +32(0)2 511 21 19
*Fax : +32(0)2 512 32 71
*sunhotel@skynet.be
*www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-al/sunhotel.htm

*50 EUR/Single room with breakfast
*22 rooms total
*3km distance to University

has internet access, will make breakfast room available for developers after 11:00 am. Two electrical plugs for breakfast room, so need extension cord with additional plugs. Ask for first or second floor rooms close to reception for good wifi connections.

=== Hotel Sabina in Brussels (Belgium)===
*Rue du Nord 78
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel: (32)2 218 26 37
*Fax: (32)2 219 32 39
(very good rating by visitors)
63 EUR/Single with breakfast
8 single only + 16 double rooms
4,2km distance

=== Hotel Mozart in Bruxelles (Belgium)===
*Rue Marché aux Fromages 23
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel +32 2 502 66 61
*Fax +32 2 502 77 58
*Email Hotel.mozart@skynet.be
http://www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-center/mozart.htm

70 EUR/Single room NO breakfast
WLAN

51 rooms total
4,2km distance

We are open to other suggestions. Please take into account distance to the University and access to public transportation.

----
A quick introduction to Brussels:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Brussel

----

Summer Of Code Ideas

2008-03-18T19:01:09Z

Nicola: /* General Improvements */

These are the ideas that were proposed as projects. This section is maintained for historical interest, and to aid planning for the Summer of Code 2008 (if it happens again). If you have a project that would be interesting for next year, feel free to add it here.

=== Porting ===
* Port [http://developer.apple.com/opensource/internet/webkit.html WebKit] (using GCC 4.x with ObjC++ support). The WebKit team is willing to help whoever wants to take on this project, please see [http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2007-03/msg00290.html this email].

=== General Improvements ===
* Printing Support (make printing work consistantly. Test.)
* MS Windows support (better integration in the MS Windows look and feel, especially the in-window-menu support, file dialogs, etc)
* Finish input server [http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnustep/libs/gui/branches/kazunobu_input_management/ support]
* Finish project center
* Revamp Objective-C garbage collection and make it compatible with the Apple implementation
* Cross-compilation from GNU/Linux to embedded devices
* [[GNUstepWeb]] (add script language support, etc)

=== AppKit ===
* Fix focusing bugs/issues making sure GNUstep apps can be used with all window managers
* Text System should be cleaned, profiled and finished. Many methods in NSLayoutManager are unfinished or unimplemented, so we currently cannot tweak the test system as much as the one provided by Cocoa. (Quentin Mathe)
* We need NSTypeSetter, NSGlyphStorage, NSGlyphInfo, and NSGlyphGenerator implementations. If NSTypeSetter and NSLayoutManager were implemented, they would probably be used in Etoile. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSTextTable, NSTextTableBlock, NSTextList, & NSTextBlock implementations would also bring the GNUstep text system in line with that of Cocoa as of Mac OS 10.4. The classes could be useful to build a powerful word processor. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSOpenGL Classes could be improved, made compatible with current Cocoa implementations, and further tested (Quentin Mathe)
* NSBitmapImageRep formats: Currenly, we support only reading and writing for TIFF, read-only for GIF, JPEG, PNG, PNM. We would like to have write support for these NSBitmapImageRep categories. Afterwards, SVG reading, then write support, would be nice. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSDatePicker, NSLevelIndicator (and obligatory companion NSCell subclasses) implementations.
* NSFormatter isn't working very well at this time (Quentin Mathe)

=== Base ===
* NSDateComponents implementation.
* NSCalendar implementation.
* Finish the NSPredicate implementation. This was partially done by Quentin Mathe, but is untested. The most important part is not done, which is to write a parser and lexer for the custom language used by NSPredicate. Also needed for this are NSComparisonPredicate, NSCompoundPredicate, and NSExpression implementations.
* Test the NSXMLParser Cocoa class wrapper around GSXML, written by Richard-Frith Macdonald (Nicola: it seems to work fine, but it would be nice to have regression tests). Once this is thoroughly tested, NSXMLDocument, NSXMLDTD, and NSXMLDTDNode, and NSXMLElement, and NSXMLNode implementations may be useful for compatibility.

=== Core Data ===
* Saso Kiselkov started implementing this [http://gscoredata.nongnu.org/ framework]. However, NSManagedObjectContext & NSPersistentStoreCoordinator have yet to be tackled according to his web page. Presumably NSPersistentDocument also needs to be implemented.

=== Misc ===
* Create a AJAX Framework for GNUstepWeb
** [http://sourceforge.net/projects/wonder Project WONDER], especially the stuff mentioned here: [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Project_WONDER/Frameworks/Ajax] could be ported over from Java. See also [http://search.lists.apple.com/?cmd=Search!&fmt=long&form=extended&m=all&ps=10&q=Ajax&sp=1&ul=webobjects-dev&wf=2221&wm=wrd&s=DRP] and [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=webobjects+ajax&btnG=Search]
* There's a truck load of stuff in WO 5.4.1 that GNUstepWeb is missing: [http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Reference/WO541Reference/index.html]
* Create Objective-C bindings for DBUS

Summer Of Code Ideas

2008-03-18T18:58:44Z

Nicola: /* General Improvements */

These are the ideas that were proposed as projects. This section is maintained for historical interest, and to aid planning for the Summer of Code 2008 (if it happens again). If you have a project that would be interesting for next year, feel free to add it here.

=== Porting ===
* Port [http://developer.apple.com/opensource/internet/webkit.html WebKit] (using GCC 4.x with ObjC++ support). The WebKit team is willing to help whoever wants to take on this project, please see [http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2007-03/msg00290.html this email].

=== General Improvements ===
* Printing Support (make printing work consistantly. Test.)
* MS Windows support (better integration in the MS Windows look and feel, especially the in-window-menu support, file dialogs, etc)
* Finish input server [http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnustep/libs/gui/branches/kazunobu_input_management/ support]
* Finish project center
* Revamp Objective-C Garbage collection and make it compatible with the Apple implementation
* [[GNUstepWeb]] (add script language support, etc)

=== AppKit ===
* Fix focusing bugs/issues making sure GNUstep apps can be used with all window managers
* Text System should be cleaned, profiled and finished. Many methods in NSLayoutManager are unfinished or unimplemented, so we currently cannot tweak the test system as much as the one provided by Cocoa. (Quentin Mathe)
* We need NSTypeSetter, NSGlyphStorage, NSGlyphInfo, and NSGlyphGenerator implementations. If NSTypeSetter and NSLayoutManager were implemented, they would probably be used in Etoile. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSTextTable, NSTextTableBlock, NSTextList, & NSTextBlock implementations would also bring the GNUstep text system in line with that of Cocoa as of Mac OS 10.4. The classes could be useful to build a powerful word processor. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSOpenGL Classes could be improved, made compatible with current Cocoa implementations, and further tested (Quentin Mathe)
* NSBitmapImageRep formats: Currenly, we support only reading and writing for TIFF, read-only for GIF, JPEG, PNG, PNM. We would like to have write support for these NSBitmapImageRep categories. Afterwards, SVG reading, then write support, would be nice. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSDatePicker, NSLevelIndicator (and obligatory companion NSCell subclasses) implementations.
* NSFormatter isn't working very well at this time (Quentin Mathe)

=== Base ===
* NSDateComponents implementation.
* NSCalendar implementation.
* Finish the NSPredicate implementation. This was partially done by Quentin Mathe, but is untested. The most important part is not done, which is to write a parser and lexer for the custom language used by NSPredicate. Also needed for this are NSComparisonPredicate, NSCompoundPredicate, and NSExpression implementations.
* Test the NSXMLParser Cocoa class wrapper around GSXML, written by Richard-Frith Macdonald (Nicola: it seems to work fine, but it would be nice to have regression tests). Once this is thoroughly tested, NSXMLDocument, NSXMLDTD, and NSXMLDTDNode, and NSXMLElement, and NSXMLNode implementations may be useful for compatibility.

=== Core Data ===
* Saso Kiselkov started implementing this [http://gscoredata.nongnu.org/ framework]. However, NSManagedObjectContext & NSPersistentStoreCoordinator have yet to be tackled according to his web page. Presumably NSPersistentDocument also needs to be implemented.

=== Misc ===
* Create a AJAX Framework for GNUstepWeb
** [http://sourceforge.net/projects/wonder Project WONDER], especially the stuff mentioned here: [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Project_WONDER/Frameworks/Ajax] could be ported over from Java. See also [http://search.lists.apple.com/?cmd=Search!&fmt=long&form=extended&m=all&ps=10&q=Ajax&sp=1&ul=webobjects-dev&wf=2221&wm=wrd&s=DRP] and [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=webobjects+ajax&btnG=Search]
* There's a truck load of stuff in WO 5.4.1 that GNUstepWeb is missing: [http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Reference/WO541Reference/index.html]
* Create Objective-C bindings for DBUS

Summer Of Code Ideas

2008-03-18T18:56:25Z

Nicola: /* General Improvements */

These are the ideas that were proposed as projects. This section is maintained for historical interest, and to aid planning for the Summer of Code 2008 (if it happens again). If you have a project that would be interesting for next year, feel free to add it here.

=== Porting ===
* Port [http://developer.apple.com/opensource/internet/webkit.html WebKit] (using GCC 4.x with ObjC++ support). The WebKit team is willing to help whoever wants to take on this project, please see [http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2007-03/msg00290.html this email].

=== General Improvements ===
* Printing Support (make printing work consistantly. Test.)
* MS Windows support (better integration in the MS Windows look and feel, especially the in-window-menu support, file dialogs, etc)
* Finish input server [http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnustep/libs/gui/branches/kazunobu_input_management/ support]
* Finish project center
* [[GNUstepWeb]] (add script language support, etc)

=== AppKit ===
* Fix focusing bugs/issues making sure GNUstep apps can be used with all window managers
* Text System should be cleaned, profiled and finished. Many methods in NSLayoutManager are unfinished or unimplemented, so we currently cannot tweak the test system as much as the one provided by Cocoa. (Quentin Mathe)
* We need NSTypeSetter, NSGlyphStorage, NSGlyphInfo, and NSGlyphGenerator implementations. If NSTypeSetter and NSLayoutManager were implemented, they would probably be used in Etoile. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSTextTable, NSTextTableBlock, NSTextList, & NSTextBlock implementations would also bring the GNUstep text system in line with that of Cocoa as of Mac OS 10.4. The classes could be useful to build a powerful word processor. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSOpenGL Classes could be improved, made compatible with current Cocoa implementations, and further tested (Quentin Mathe)
* NSBitmapImageRep formats: Currenly, we support only reading and writing for TIFF, read-only for GIF, JPEG, PNG, PNM. We would like to have write support for these NSBitmapImageRep categories. Afterwards, SVG reading, then write support, would be nice. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSDatePicker, NSLevelIndicator (and obligatory companion NSCell subclasses) implementations.
* NSFormatter isn't working very well at this time (Quentin Mathe)

=== Base ===
* NSDateComponents implementation.
* NSCalendar implementation.
* Finish the NSPredicate implementation. This was partially done by Quentin Mathe, but is untested. The most important part is not done, which is to write a parser and lexer for the custom language used by NSPredicate. Also needed for this are NSComparisonPredicate, NSCompoundPredicate, and NSExpression implementations.
* Test the NSXMLParser Cocoa class wrapper around GSXML, written by Richard-Frith Macdonald (Nicola: it seems to work fine, but it would be nice to have regression tests). Once this is thoroughly tested, NSXMLDocument, NSXMLDTD, and NSXMLDTDNode, and NSXMLElement, and NSXMLNode implementations may be useful for compatibility.

=== Core Data ===
* Saso Kiselkov started implementing this [http://gscoredata.nongnu.org/ framework]. However, NSManagedObjectContext & NSPersistentStoreCoordinator have yet to be tackled according to his web page. Presumably NSPersistentDocument also needs to be implemented.

=== Misc ===
* Create a AJAX Framework for GNUstepWeb
** [http://sourceforge.net/projects/wonder Project WONDER], especially the stuff mentioned here: [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Project_WONDER/Frameworks/Ajax] could be ported over from Java. See also [http://search.lists.apple.com/?cmd=Search!&fmt=long&form=extended&m=all&ps=10&q=Ajax&sp=1&ul=webobjects-dev&wf=2221&wm=wrd&s=DRP] and [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=webobjects+ajax&btnG=Search]
* There's a truck load of stuff in WO 5.4.1 that GNUstepWeb is missing: [http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Reference/WO541Reference/index.html]
* Create Objective-C bindings for DBUS

Summer Of Code Ideas

2008-03-18T18:56:07Z

Nicola: /* General Improvements */

These are the ideas that were proposed as projects. This section is maintained for historical interest, and to aid planning for the Summer of Code 2008 (if it happens again). If you have a project that would be interesting for next year, feel free to add it here.

=== Porting ===
* Port [http://developer.apple.com/opensource/internet/webkit.html WebKit] (using GCC 4.x with ObjC++ support). The WebKit team is willing to help whoever wants to take on this project, please see [http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2007-03/msg00290.html this email].

=== General Improvements ===
* Printing Support (make printing work consistantly. Test.)
* MS Windows support (better integration in the MS Windows look and feel, especially the in-window-menu support, file dialogs, etc)
* [[GNUstepWeb]] (add script language support, etc)
* Finish input server [http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnustep/libs/gui/branches/kazunobu_input_management/ support]
* Finish project center

=== AppKit ===
* Fix focusing bugs/issues making sure GNUstep apps can be used with all window managers
* Text System should be cleaned, profiled and finished. Many methods in NSLayoutManager are unfinished or unimplemented, so we currently cannot tweak the test system as much as the one provided by Cocoa. (Quentin Mathe)
* We need NSTypeSetter, NSGlyphStorage, NSGlyphInfo, and NSGlyphGenerator implementations. If NSTypeSetter and NSLayoutManager were implemented, they would probably be used in Etoile. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSTextTable, NSTextTableBlock, NSTextList, & NSTextBlock implementations would also bring the GNUstep text system in line with that of Cocoa as of Mac OS 10.4. The classes could be useful to build a powerful word processor. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSOpenGL Classes could be improved, made compatible with current Cocoa implementations, and further tested (Quentin Mathe)
* NSBitmapImageRep formats: Currenly, we support only reading and writing for TIFF, read-only for GIF, JPEG, PNG, PNM. We would like to have write support for these NSBitmapImageRep categories. Afterwards, SVG reading, then write support, would be nice. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSDatePicker, NSLevelIndicator (and obligatory companion NSCell subclasses) implementations.
* NSFormatter isn't working very well at this time (Quentin Mathe)

=== Base ===
* NSDateComponents implementation.
* NSCalendar implementation.
* Finish the NSPredicate implementation. This was partially done by Quentin Mathe, but is untested. The most important part is not done, which is to write a parser and lexer for the custom language used by NSPredicate. Also needed for this are NSComparisonPredicate, NSCompoundPredicate, and NSExpression implementations.
* Test the NSXMLParser Cocoa class wrapper around GSXML, written by Richard-Frith Macdonald (Nicola: it seems to work fine, but it would be nice to have regression tests). Once this is thoroughly tested, NSXMLDocument, NSXMLDTD, and NSXMLDTDNode, and NSXMLElement, and NSXMLNode implementations may be useful for compatibility.

=== Core Data ===
* Saso Kiselkov started implementing this [http://gscoredata.nongnu.org/ framework]. However, NSManagedObjectContext & NSPersistentStoreCoordinator have yet to be tackled according to his web page. Presumably NSPersistentDocument also needs to be implemented.

=== Misc ===
* Create a AJAX Framework for GNUstepWeb
** [http://sourceforge.net/projects/wonder Project WONDER], especially the stuff mentioned here: [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Project_WONDER/Frameworks/Ajax] could be ported over from Java. See also [http://search.lists.apple.com/?cmd=Search!&fmt=long&form=extended&m=all&ps=10&q=Ajax&sp=1&ul=webobjects-dev&wf=2221&wm=wrd&s=DRP] and [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=webobjects+ajax&btnG=Search]
* There's a truck load of stuff in WO 5.4.1 that GNUstepWeb is missing: [http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Reference/WO541Reference/index.html]
* Create Objective-C bindings for DBUS

Summer Of Code Ideas

2008-03-18T18:55:32Z

Nicola: /* AppKit */

These are the ideas that were proposed as projects. This section is maintained for historical interest, and to aid planning for the Summer of Code 2008 (if it happens again). If you have a project that would be interesting for next year, feel free to add it here.

=== Porting ===
* Port [http://developer.apple.com/opensource/internet/webkit.html WebKit] (using GCC 4.x with ObjC++ support). The WebKit team is willing to help whoever wants to take on this project, please see [http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2007-03/msg00290.html this email].

=== General Improvements ===
* Printing Support (make printing work consistantly. Test.)
* MS Windows support (better integration in the MS Windows look and feel, especially the in-window-menu support, file dialogs, etc)
* [[GNUstepWeb]] (add script language support, etc)
* Finish input server [http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnustep/libs/gui/branches/kazunobu_input_management/ support]

=== AppKit ===
* Fix focusing bugs/issues making sure GNUstep apps can be used with all window managers
* Text System should be cleaned, profiled and finished. Many methods in NSLayoutManager are unfinished or unimplemented, so we currently cannot tweak the test system as much as the one provided by Cocoa. (Quentin Mathe)
* We need NSTypeSetter, NSGlyphStorage, NSGlyphInfo, and NSGlyphGenerator implementations. If NSTypeSetter and NSLayoutManager were implemented, they would probably be used in Etoile. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSTextTable, NSTextTableBlock, NSTextList, & NSTextBlock implementations would also bring the GNUstep text system in line with that of Cocoa as of Mac OS 10.4. The classes could be useful to build a powerful word processor. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSOpenGL Classes could be improved, made compatible with current Cocoa implementations, and further tested (Quentin Mathe)
* NSBitmapImageRep formats: Currenly, we support only reading and writing for TIFF, read-only for GIF, JPEG, PNG, PNM. We would like to have write support for these NSBitmapImageRep categories. Afterwards, SVG reading, then write support, would be nice. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSDatePicker, NSLevelIndicator (and obligatory companion NSCell subclasses) implementations.
* NSFormatter isn't working very well at this time (Quentin Mathe)

=== Base ===
* NSDateComponents implementation.
* NSCalendar implementation.
* Finish the NSPredicate implementation. This was partially done by Quentin Mathe, but is untested. The most important part is not done, which is to write a parser and lexer for the custom language used by NSPredicate. Also needed for this are NSComparisonPredicate, NSCompoundPredicate, and NSExpression implementations.
* Test the NSXMLParser Cocoa class wrapper around GSXML, written by Richard-Frith Macdonald (Nicola: it seems to work fine, but it would be nice to have regression tests). Once this is thoroughly tested, NSXMLDocument, NSXMLDTD, and NSXMLDTDNode, and NSXMLElement, and NSXMLNode implementations may be useful for compatibility.

=== Core Data ===
* Saso Kiselkov started implementing this [http://gscoredata.nongnu.org/ framework]. However, NSManagedObjectContext & NSPersistentStoreCoordinator have yet to be tackled according to his web page. Presumably NSPersistentDocument also needs to be implemented.

=== Misc ===
* Create a AJAX Framework for GNUstepWeb
** [http://sourceforge.net/projects/wonder Project WONDER], especially the stuff mentioned here: [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Project_WONDER/Frameworks/Ajax] could be ported over from Java. See also [http://search.lists.apple.com/?cmd=Search!&fmt=long&form=extended&m=all&ps=10&q=Ajax&sp=1&ul=webobjects-dev&wf=2221&wm=wrd&s=DRP] and [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=webobjects+ajax&btnG=Search]
* There's a truck load of stuff in WO 5.4.1 that GNUstepWeb is missing: [http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Reference/WO541Reference/index.html]
* Create Objective-C bindings for DBUS

Summer Of Code Ideas

2008-03-18T18:53:05Z

Nicola: /* Base */

These are the ideas that were proposed as projects. This section is maintained for historical interest, and to aid planning for the Summer of Code 2008 (if it happens again). If you have a project that would be interesting for next year, feel free to add it here.

=== Porting ===
* Port [http://developer.apple.com/opensource/internet/webkit.html WebKit] (using GCC 4.x with ObjC++ support). The WebKit team is willing to help whoever wants to take on this project, please see [http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2007-03/msg00290.html this email].

=== General Improvements ===
* Printing Support (make printing work consistantly. Test.)
* MS Windows support (better integration in the MS Windows look and feel, especially the in-window-menu support, file dialogs, etc)
* [[GNUstepWeb]] (add script language support, etc)
* Finish input server [http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnustep/libs/gui/branches/kazunobu_input_management/ support]

=== AppKit ===
* Text System should be cleaned, profiled and finished. Many methods in NSLayoutManager are unfinished or unimplemented, so we currently cannot tweak the test system as much as the one provided by Cocoa. (Quentin Mathe)
* We need NSTypeSetter, NSGlyphStorage, NSGlyphInfo, and NSGlyphGenerator implementations. If NSTypeSetter and NSLayoutManager were implemented, they would probably be used in Etoile. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSTextTable, NSTextTableBlock, NSTextList, & NSTextBlock implementations would also bring the GNUstep text system in line with that of Cocoa as of Mac OS 10.4. The classes could be useful to build a powerful word processor. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSOpenGL Classes could be improved, made compatible with current Cocoa implementations, and further tested (Quentin Mathe)
* NSBitmapImageRep formats: Currenly, we support only reading and writing for TIFF, read-only for GIF, JPEG, PNG, PNM. We would like to have write support for these NSBitmapImageRep categories. Afterwards, SVG reading, then write support, would be nice. (Quentin Mathe)
* NSDatePicker, NSLevelIndicator (and obligatory companion NSCell subclasses) implementations.
* NSFormatter isn't working very well at this time (Quentin Mathe)

=== Base ===
* NSDateComponents implementation.
* NSCalendar implementation.
* Finish the NSPredicate implementation. This was partially done by Quentin Mathe, but is untested. The most important part is not done, which is to write a parser and lexer for the custom language used by NSPredicate. Also needed for this are NSComparisonPredicate, NSCompoundPredicate, and NSExpression implementations.
* Test the NSXMLParser Cocoa class wrapper around GSXML, written by Richard-Frith Macdonald (Nicola: it seems to work fine, but it would be nice to have regression tests). Once this is thoroughly tested, NSXMLDocument, NSXMLDTD, and NSXMLDTDNode, and NSXMLElement, and NSXMLNode implementations may be useful for compatibility.

=== Core Data ===
* Saso Kiselkov started implementing this [http://gscoredata.nongnu.org/ framework]. However, NSManagedObjectContext & NSPersistentStoreCoordinator have yet to be tackled according to his web page. Presumably NSPersistentDocument also needs to be implemented.

=== Misc ===
* Create a AJAX Framework for GNUstepWeb
** [http://sourceforge.net/projects/wonder Project WONDER], especially the stuff mentioned here: [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Project_WONDER/Frameworks/Ajax] could be ported over from Java. See also [http://search.lists.apple.com/?cmd=Search!&fmt=long&form=extended&m=all&ps=10&q=Ajax&sp=1&ul=webobjects-dev&wf=2221&wm=wrd&s=DRP] and [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=webobjects+ajax&btnG=Search]
* There's a truck load of stuff in WO 5.4.1 that GNUstepWeb is missing: [http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Reference/WO541Reference/index.html]
* Create Objective-C bindings for DBUS

GNUstep in production

2008-02-09T19:42:48Z

Nicola: /* Corporations & Companies actively developing for GNUstep */

''Note: Please leave a short note about how is the company related to GNUstep. Please sort the list alphabetically.''

== Corporations & Companies actively developing for GNUstep ==

* [http://www.brainstorm.co.uk/ Brainstorm Mobile Solutions Ltd] has one the most advanced SMS/MMS mobile marketing platforms on the market, and it's all running on GNUstep.
* [http://www.orange-concept.com/ Orange Concept] is working mainly on [http://www.gnustepweb.org GNUstepWeb] and [[GDL|GDL2]] for it's eCommerce engine: [http://www.eCommStep.com eCommStep]
* [http://www.turbocat.de/ Turbocat's Development]
* [http://www.goldelico.com/ Golden Delicious Computers] is working on [http://www.quantum-step.com QuantumSTEP] for Embedded Devices

== Companies which use and/or support GNUstep ==

* [http://www.turbocat.de/ Turbocat's Development]
* [http://www.intars.at/ Ayers Application Design & Development]
* [http://www.ivt.baug.ethz.ch/oev/RailMLEditor_d.html Institut für Verkehrsplanung und Transportsysteme]
* [http://www.cyberdvdfilms.com Microcom]<br>uses [http://www.eCommStep.com eCommStep], an eCommerce engine based on [http://www.gnustep.org GNUstep], [http://www.gnustepweb.org GNUstepWeb] and [[GDL2]] to run its shop since may 2003.
* Orillion
* [http://www.seat-1.com seat-1 Software GmbH ], business software for small to medium-sized production, trading and service companies. The software product IntarS is powered by [[GNUstepWeb]] on GNU based operating systems.

* [[Smartsoft]] develops highly customized business applications for MacOSX and Solaris.
* [http://www.theinternetco.net/ The Internet Company]

User FAQ

2008-01-25T18:04:12Z

Nicola: /* What's up with the directory structure? */

== GNUstep General Information ==

=== What is GNUstep? ===

GNUstep is the Free Software Foundation's effort to implement NeXT Software, Inc.'s (now Apple Computer, Inc.) [[OpenStep]] Standard. Also we are building developer and user applications based on this standard which may someday be used to form a complete desktop experience. For more details, take a look at the [[Introduction to GNUstep|introduction]].

=== What is the OpenStep standard? ===

OpenStep is an Application Programming Interface (API) for creating applications using the Objective-C language. It was published by NeXT Computer, Inc. in 1994.

OpenStep consists of three parts: the `Foundation Kit', a library of non-graphical objects; the `Application Kit', a library of objects useful in creating graphical applications; and the `Display PostScript System' (DPS), an interface for drawing to the screen using the PostScript graphics language. DPS support is not being persued at this time however.

You can obtain a copy of the OpenStep standard from the [http://www.gnustep.org GNUstep] web site or it's mirror sites.

=== What platforms does GNUstep run on? ===

See the list of [[Platform compatibility|supported platforms]] for information on what machines GNUstep builds on and what the status of the ports is. Probably a few days porting to any other UNIX system where current gcc compilers and gdb debugger work.

=== Does GNUstep run on Windows? ===

The primary targets for GNUstep are free UNIX system-based platforms such as GNU/Linux and FreeBSD.

That being said, the whole environment has been ported to [http://www.mingw.org MinGW environment]
and the non-gui libraries are reported to work well.

The GUI library uses the win32 backend library to work under Windows. The backend library is a thin layer that converts the GNUstep methods to handle drawing of GUI elements to calls to the Windows API. This project is currently in beta.

=== What is GNUstep's position towards KDE and the GNOME project? ===

You can use GNUstep with GNOME and/or KDE. GNUstep displays on top of X11. You can still do programming in C (since Objective-C is just a super-set of C), and when GCC gets around to it, you'll be able to mix C++ and Objective-C code in the same file.

GNUstep, is much more than a window manager or desktop environment. It frees you to develop cross-platform applications without the work of developing an OS independent framework from scratch. It gives you lots of basic functionality, from font panels to Unicode strings to distributed objects.

=== How can I get GNUstep? ===

Many distributions include packaged versions of GNUstep (Debian, etc.). To compile from scratch, download the GNUstep Startup package or take a look at the [[Platform compatibility]] list. Get the latest releases from [ftp://ftp.gnustep.org/pub/gnustep/core FTP].

=== How do you run GNUstep? ===

You are presumably under the misapprehension that GNUstep is some sort of program or window manager. It isn't! GNUstep is a whole load of things -- primarily a set of libraries for developing software. At present, it's those libraries, plus various command-line based support tools and service providing daemons, plus various GUI development tools, a GUI desktop/workspace application, etc. At no stage will you ever 'run' GNUstep -- you will run applications and tools and will make use of it's services. At some point you may well find packages distributed as 'GNUstep' systems in the way that you get 'GNU/Linux' systems packaged today. For instance, look at the [http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ GNUstep Live CD].

If you want to see a sample GUI application running you need to build GNUstep and look at the example applications in the gnustep-examples package. Build 'Finger' or 'Ink' and start it with 'openapp Finger.app' or 'openapp Ink.app'

For the best look, use WindowMaker (preferred GNUstep window manager) as your window manager.

=== Is there a web site? ===

See [http://www.gnustep.org/ GNUstep Website] and [[Main_Page | GNUstep Wiki]].

=== When is GNUstep intended to be available? ===

It's usable now. Major releases are made about every six months. However, if you are a serious developer, it's probably best to use the latest snapshots.

=== What is usable? ===

Most of GNUstep is quite usable and there are many complex applications that work well. However, GNUstep does not completely track the latest changes that Apple makes to their interface and there are still some parts that need some work). This means many applications will run quite well. Applications that require very complex text handling and some unusual features and/or some of the latest additions to Cocoa may not work as well.

== Compiling and Installing ==

=== How do I compile GNUstep on my machine? ===

Read the file 'GNUstep-HOWTO', which comes with the GNUstep distribution (gnustep-make), and also is available separately on the GNUstep web site. To check beforehand, take a look at the [[Platform compatibility]] list.

=== Are there any precompiled packages available? ===

Check the [http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html Download Section] for links to RPMs, Debian packages, and BSD ports. There are also Windows installers, Mac OS X binaries and others.

=== How do I start the applications I just installed? ===

First, read http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/User/GNUstep/gnustep-howto_4.html#SEC7 to make sure you have set up your environment correctly. Then from a terminal enter:

openapp Application.app

=== What are these type and size warnings? ===

These warnings:
/usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol
`__objc_class_name_NSConstantString' are not defined
are a common occurence and are due to a mismatch between the gcc compiler and the ld linker. They don't do any harm so they can be safely ignored. They have been fixed in the 3.1 version of the GCC compiler.

=== What are these import warnings? ===

Do you get this obnoxious warning whenever you compile an application, tool, or Objective-C program:
warning: using `#import' is not recommended
[...]
Up until version 3.4 of the GCC compiler, the #import directive was improperly implemented. As a result, the compiler automatically emitted a warning whenever the #import directive was used. As of gcc 3.4, this problem has been fixed, so presumably, this warning is no longer emitted when code is compiled. If you are using an earlier compiler, you can suppress these warnings by adding -Wno-import to your include (cpp) flags.

== Compatibility and Layout ==

=== Can I run NeXT OPENSTEP or Mac OS X programs on GNUstep? ===

You can't run these programs on GNUstep, but if you have the source code for the programs, you should be able to port them to GNUstep and compile them. Whether or not you will be able to run them depends on how complete GNUstep is at the time.

=== Is GNUstep following changes to OpenStep and Mac OS X? ===

Yes, gnustep-base already contains the documented changes in the Foundation library. GNUstep aims to be compatible with both the OpenStep specification and with Mac OS X. It should be easy to write an application that compiles cleanly under both GNUstep and Cocoa.

=== Do we have to have the NEXTSTEP look and feel? ===

GNUstep is aiming for something like the NEXTSTEP 3.3 look and feel. Although we don't want to force anyone into this, a lot of the power and ease of use comes from this feel. The look of GNUstep is something different -- buttons and other widgets can look different but still act the same way. We hope to implement themes which will allow this.

For a different desktop feel please see [[Themability]].

=== What's up with the directory structure? ===

First of all, GNUstep uses a slightly different directory structure than NEXTSTEP or Mac OS X. Part of this is historical, part is because we can't do things the same way (see the section [[User FAQ#Why not use framework bundles?]]). Although currently the structure is very similar to the one used in Mac OS X.

It's also possible to configure GNUstep run using the standard FHS directory structured used under GNU/Linux
and other unices so that it blends better in the host environment.

=== Why not use framework bundles? ===

Framework bundles are much more difficult to port and to use, and are very unnatural on a UNIX system; extremely unnatural on Windows. In a framework bundle, the shared dynamic library is inside a framework wrapper directory. Because of this, the dynamic linker can't find it.

We have frameworks, so how do we work around that? Well, we build dynamic links from a directory inside the dynamic linker path into the framework, which work, but then you can't move the framework anywhere else on the system, otherwise you break the link, and nothing will find the framework any longer! On systems without dynamic links, like Windows, we can't even do this! We have to copy the library from the framework into the dynamic linker path, but that is simply a shared library then! Absolutely no difference. You put the dynamic library in a system directory in the dynamic linker path, and associate with that library a resource directory. OpenStep for Windows did that, and still called them frameworks. So we can do the same, and call our libraries frameworks.

Shared libraries are all in a flat directory where the dynamic linker can easily find them. This is how it works on Unixoids, Windows and probably most other systems. The OpenStep API requires us to provide some stuff for frameworks, like creating and registering a framework object automatically each time a framework is used (linked at runtime, or linked into the app), and attaching to it the list of classes inside the framework, which are not particularly trivial to implement and might make trouble when porting, as they depend on playing with the linker and the object file format. However, shared libraries are handled by the operating system for us, so we never have to use these facilities.

It's easier for Apple's Mac OS X. They can modify the system linker, compiler, the system dynamical linker as they please, because they have full control over the platform these run on. They can modify the system to support frameworks natively. GNUstep, however, is meant to run on many different platforms, platforms which we don't control (Windows, Sun Solaris, Darwin, GNU/Linux, UNIX system variants) and which have different linkers and do not support frameworks natively. On some systems it's difficult to just load a bundle or compile a shared library!

So building the core libraries as 'libraries' means that it's much easier to port them, and it's much more difficult to break them. Sure, frameworks have a bundle of resources associated with it -- but we can very easily associate a bundle of resource with a shared library, no reason why not. We are doing it. So please note that GNUstep libraries are meant to be much similar to Mac OS X frameworks. They are composed of a shared library and associated with a bundle of resources. There is a difference in terminology, in where the resources are installed, and possibly a slight difference in the NSBundle API to get to the resource bundle (anyway, it's a one line difference between Mac OS X and GNUstep, so it looks like very easy to <tt>#ifdef</tt>).

In other words, GNUstep libraries are meant to basically do the same as frameworks do on Mac OS X, but to be portable to very different platforms (such as Windows).

== Troubleshooting ==

=== Problems compiling (loading shared libs) ===

If you get something like

plmerge: error while loading shared libraries:
libgnustep-base.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

or this:

Making all for service example...
make[2]: *** [example.service/Resources/Info-gnustep.plist] Error 1
make[1]: *** [example.all.service.variables] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/multix/gnustep-gui-0.8.6/Tools'
make: *** [internal-all] Error 2

This means your GNU make is being overly protective. When you try to become root (e.g. to install something), certain environment variables like LD_LIBRARY_PATH are unset in order to reduce the possibility of a security breach. If you are becoming root to install something, you need to exec the GNUstep.sh file as root, just as you do when you login. Although for simplicity, you can also try this:

make LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH

You could also be having problems with gcc. gcc 2.96 does not work (Mandrake 8.1, perhaps others). Use a different compiler, like gcc 3.x.

=== Problems compiling (GNUstep Internal Error) ===

If you get

GNUSTEP Internal Error:
The private GNUstep function to establish the argv and environment
variables was not called.
Please report the error to bug-gnustep@gnu.org.

when compiling the gui library, there could be several things wrong. One is that you installed the gnustep-objc library, but the compiler found another Objecive-C library (like the one that came with gcc). If you are using gcc 3.x, DO NOT use the gnustep-objc library.

There could also be a mismatch between the base and gui library versions. Make sure you have the latest release of each library installed.

=== Problems with Alt key ===

It's possible the Alt key is not where you think it is or is defined incorrectly. Try running the GSTest application, KeyboardInput test (located in the examples package at [ftp://ftp.gnustep.org/pub/gnustep/core FTP]) to test it. See [http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/User/Gui/KeyboardSetup.html keyboard setup] for information on how to change the settings.

If you are using WindowMaker, it's possible it is grabing this key and using it for itself. To check, open Window Maker's WPrefs and go to the Mouse Preferences. Then use another value for the "Mouse grab modifier" (bottom right). That will allow you to alt-drag things.

=== Problems with gcc3 ===

Don't forget you need to update binutils and libc also.

=== Problems with fonts ===

Why do the characters get changed to asterisks ('*')?

The problem you are getting come from the fact that the xlib backend (when not using Xft) will only use one fixed X font for a given font name. If the font "helvetica" is used inside of GNUstep the one selected X font, in your case "-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1" is used. So only characters (or glyphs) that are available in that font can be displayed. The selection of which font name to use happens inside the font_cacher and is more or less at random (the order fonts are listed by the X system).

You can influence the fonts that are available by setting:

defaults write NSGlobalDomain GSFontMask "*iso8859-13"
font_cacher

(or using a different character set, like iso8859-2). This is really a bug in GNUstep, but it hasn't been fixed yet.

The other option is the use the art backend, which handles fonts much better. When compiling gnustep-back, start with

./configure --enable-graphics=art

=== No characters displayed ===

When using the xlib backend, no characters are displayed in any GNUstep applications.

The xlib backend has font anti-aliasing turned on by default. It's possible that GNUstep can't find any fonts on your system that can be properly anti- aliased. Try

defaults write NSGlobalDomain GSFontAntiAlias NO

to turn off font anti-aliasing.

=== No Makefile ===

I tried to compile something and I get:

GNUmakefile:27: /Makefiles/common.make: No such file or directory
GNUmakefile:39: /Makefiles/aggregate.make: No such file or directory
gmake: *** No rule to make target `/Makefiles/aggregate.make'. Stop.

Make sure you have installed the gnustep-make package and also type something like

source /usr/GNUstep/System/Library/Makefiles/GNUstep.sh

depending on your GNUstep's installation path.

You can put this line in your `.profile' or `.bash_profile' file so that it is done automatically when you log in.

== Misc ==

=== Why don't you just have Gorm output Renaissance files? ===

Philosophical and architectural incompatibilities.

=== Is there a way to install GNUstep on Mac OS X? ===

Yes! Please see [[Platform:BSD#Mac_OS_X | MacOS X installation notes]].

=== Is there any way to use gnustep-make and gnustep-base without using openapp/opentool? ===

opentool is obsolete and you should be able to run command-line programs directly from your
shell prompt like any other command-line program.

openapp is useful to run applications but in standard situations you can also run directly
the program from within the .app folder.

=== Can GNUstep help with porting applications from MacOS-X? Is there any HOWTO on that? ===

See for example Tamsys.

=== How difficult it should be to port it to Linux and GNUstep? ===

Somehow relevant may be discussion on How to port to GNUstep Answered. Unfortunately this link is broken now. Dredge around in the google discussion group, I guess. I couldn't find anything helpful.

=== Can I deploy my GNUstep application without requiring people to install GNUstep? ===

No. Compare it to running Java applications without people requiring to install Java runtime environment.

=== How can I get more information on Objective-C ? ===

Take a look at the [[Objective-C]] page.

[[Category:FAQ]]

User FAQ

2008-01-25T18:02:59Z

Nicola: /* Does GNUstep run on Windows? */

== GNUstep General Information ==

=== What is GNUstep? ===

GNUstep is the Free Software Foundation's effort to implement NeXT Software, Inc.'s (now Apple Computer, Inc.) [[OpenStep]] Standard. Also we are building developer and user applications based on this standard which may someday be used to form a complete desktop experience. For more details, take a look at the [[Introduction to GNUstep|introduction]].

=== What is the OpenStep standard? ===

OpenStep is an Application Programming Interface (API) for creating applications using the Objective-C language. It was published by NeXT Computer, Inc. in 1994.

OpenStep consists of three parts: the `Foundation Kit', a library of non-graphical objects; the `Application Kit', a library of objects useful in creating graphical applications; and the `Display PostScript System' (DPS), an interface for drawing to the screen using the PostScript graphics language. DPS support is not being persued at this time however.

You can obtain a copy of the OpenStep standard from the [http://www.gnustep.org GNUstep] web site or it's mirror sites.

=== What platforms does GNUstep run on? ===

See the list of [[Platform compatibility|supported platforms]] for information on what machines GNUstep builds on and what the status of the ports is. Probably a few days porting to any other UNIX system where current gcc compilers and gdb debugger work.

=== Does GNUstep run on Windows? ===

The primary targets for GNUstep are free UNIX system-based platforms such as GNU/Linux and FreeBSD.

That being said, the whole environment has been ported to [http://www.mingw.org MinGW environment]
and the non-gui libraries are reported to work well.

The GUI library uses the win32 backend library to work under Windows. The backend library is a thin layer that converts the GNUstep methods to handle drawing of GUI elements to calls to the Windows API. This project is currently in beta.

=== What is GNUstep's position towards KDE and the GNOME project? ===

You can use GNUstep with GNOME and/or KDE. GNUstep displays on top of X11. You can still do programming in C (since Objective-C is just a super-set of C), and when GCC gets around to it, you'll be able to mix C++ and Objective-C code in the same file.

GNUstep, is much more than a window manager or desktop environment. It frees you to develop cross-platform applications without the work of developing an OS independent framework from scratch. It gives you lots of basic functionality, from font panels to Unicode strings to distributed objects.

=== How can I get GNUstep? ===

Many distributions include packaged versions of GNUstep (Debian, etc.). To compile from scratch, download the GNUstep Startup package or take a look at the [[Platform compatibility]] list. Get the latest releases from [ftp://ftp.gnustep.org/pub/gnustep/core FTP].

=== How do you run GNUstep? ===

You are presumably under the misapprehension that GNUstep is some sort of program or window manager. It isn't! GNUstep is a whole load of things -- primarily a set of libraries for developing software. At present, it's those libraries, plus various command-line based support tools and service providing daemons, plus various GUI development tools, a GUI desktop/workspace application, etc. At no stage will you ever 'run' GNUstep -- you will run applications and tools and will make use of it's services. At some point you may well find packages distributed as 'GNUstep' systems in the way that you get 'GNU/Linux' systems packaged today. For instance, look at the [http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ GNUstep Live CD].

If you want to see a sample GUI application running you need to build GNUstep and look at the example applications in the gnustep-examples package. Build 'Finger' or 'Ink' and start it with 'openapp Finger.app' or 'openapp Ink.app'

For the best look, use WindowMaker (preferred GNUstep window manager) as your window manager.

=== Is there a web site? ===

See [http://www.gnustep.org/ GNUstep Website] and [[Main_Page | GNUstep Wiki]].

=== When is GNUstep intended to be available? ===

It's usable now. Major releases are made about every six months. However, if you are a serious developer, it's probably best to use the latest snapshots.

=== What is usable? ===

Most of GNUstep is quite usable and there are many complex applications that work well. However, GNUstep does not completely track the latest changes that Apple makes to their interface and there are still some parts that need some work). This means many applications will run quite well. Applications that require very complex text handling and some unusual features and/or some of the latest additions to Cocoa may not work as well.

== Compiling and Installing ==

=== How do I compile GNUstep on my machine? ===

Read the file 'GNUstep-HOWTO', which comes with the GNUstep distribution (gnustep-make), and also is available separately on the GNUstep web site. To check beforehand, take a look at the [[Platform compatibility]] list.

=== Are there any precompiled packages available? ===

Check the [http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html Download Section] for links to RPMs, Debian packages, and BSD ports. There are also Windows installers, Mac OS X binaries and others.

=== How do I start the applications I just installed? ===

First, read http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/User/GNUstep/gnustep-howto_4.html#SEC7 to make sure you have set up your environment correctly. Then from a terminal enter:

openapp Application.app

=== What are these type and size warnings? ===

These warnings:
/usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol
`__objc_class_name_NSConstantString' are not defined
are a common occurence and are due to a mismatch between the gcc compiler and the ld linker. They don't do any harm so they can be safely ignored. They have been fixed in the 3.1 version of the GCC compiler.

=== What are these import warnings? ===

Do you get this obnoxious warning whenever you compile an application, tool, or Objective-C program:
warning: using `#import' is not recommended
[...]
Up until version 3.4 of the GCC compiler, the #import directive was improperly implemented. As a result, the compiler automatically emitted a warning whenever the #import directive was used. As of gcc 3.4, this problem has been fixed, so presumably, this warning is no longer emitted when code is compiled. If you are using an earlier compiler, you can suppress these warnings by adding -Wno-import to your include (cpp) flags.

== Compatibility and Layout ==

=== Can I run NeXT OPENSTEP or Mac OS X programs on GNUstep? ===

You can't run these programs on GNUstep, but if you have the source code for the programs, you should be able to port them to GNUstep and compile them. Whether or not you will be able to run them depends on how complete GNUstep is at the time.

=== Is GNUstep following changes to OpenStep and Mac OS X? ===

Yes, gnustep-base already contains the documented changes in the Foundation library. GNUstep aims to be compatible with both the OpenStep specification and with Mac OS X. It should be easy to write an application that compiles cleanly under both GNUstep and Cocoa.

=== Do we have to have the NEXTSTEP look and feel? ===

GNUstep is aiming for something like the NEXTSTEP 3.3 look and feel. Although we don't want to force anyone into this, a lot of the power and ease of use comes from this feel. The look of GNUstep is something different -- buttons and other widgets can look different but still act the same way. We hope to implement themes which will allow this.

For a different desktop feel please see [[Themability]].

=== What's up with the directory structure? ===

First of all, GNUstep uses a slightly different directory structure than NEXTSTEP or Mac OS X. Part of this is historical, part is because we can't do things the same way (see the section [[User FAQ#Why not use framework bundles?]]). Although currently the structure is very similar to the one used in Mac OS X.

=== Why not use framework bundles? ===

Framework bundles are much more difficult to port and to use, and are very unnatural on a UNIX system; extremely unnatural on Windows. In a framework bundle, the shared dynamic library is inside a framework wrapper directory. Because of this, the dynamic linker can't find it.

We have frameworks, so how do we work around that? Well, we build dynamic links from a directory inside the dynamic linker path into the framework, which work, but then you can't move the framework anywhere else on the system, otherwise you break the link, and nothing will find the framework any longer! On systems without dynamic links, like Windows, we can't even do this! We have to copy the library from the framework into the dynamic linker path, but that is simply a shared library then! Absolutely no difference. You put the dynamic library in a system directory in the dynamic linker path, and associate with that library a resource directory. OpenStep for Windows did that, and still called them frameworks. So we can do the same, and call our libraries frameworks.

Shared libraries are all in a flat directory where the dynamic linker can easily find them. This is how it works on Unixoids, Windows and probably most other systems. The OpenStep API requires us to provide some stuff for frameworks, like creating and registering a framework object automatically each time a framework is used (linked at runtime, or linked into the app), and attaching to it the list of classes inside the framework, which are not particularly trivial to implement and might make trouble when porting, as they depend on playing with the linker and the object file format. However, shared libraries are handled by the operating system for us, so we never have to use these facilities.

It's easier for Apple's Mac OS X. They can modify the system linker, compiler, the system dynamical linker as they please, because they have full control over the platform these run on. They can modify the system to support frameworks natively. GNUstep, however, is meant to run on many different platforms, platforms which we don't control (Windows, Sun Solaris, Darwin, GNU/Linux, UNIX system variants) and which have different linkers and do not support frameworks natively. On some systems it's difficult to just load a bundle or compile a shared library!

So building the core libraries as 'libraries' means that it's much easier to port them, and it's much more difficult to break them. Sure, frameworks have a bundle of resources associated with it -- but we can very easily associate a bundle of resource with a shared library, no reason why not. We are doing it. So please note that GNUstep libraries are meant to be much similar to Mac OS X frameworks. They are composed of a shared library and associated with a bundle of resources. There is a difference in terminology, in where the resources are installed, and possibly a slight difference in the NSBundle API to get to the resource bundle (anyway, it's a one line difference between Mac OS X and GNUstep, so it looks like very easy to <tt>#ifdef</tt>).

In other words, GNUstep libraries are meant to basically do the same as frameworks do on Mac OS X, but to be portable to very different platforms (such as Windows).

== Troubleshooting ==

=== Problems compiling (loading shared libs) ===

If you get something like

plmerge: error while loading shared libraries:
libgnustep-base.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

or this:

Making all for service example...
make[2]: *** [example.service/Resources/Info-gnustep.plist] Error 1
make[1]: *** [example.all.service.variables] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/multix/gnustep-gui-0.8.6/Tools'
make: *** [internal-all] Error 2

This means your GNU make is being overly protective. When you try to become root (e.g. to install something), certain environment variables like LD_LIBRARY_PATH are unset in order to reduce the possibility of a security breach. If you are becoming root to install something, you need to exec the GNUstep.sh file as root, just as you do when you login. Although for simplicity, you can also try this:

make LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH

You could also be having problems with gcc. gcc 2.96 does not work (Mandrake 8.1, perhaps others). Use a different compiler, like gcc 3.x.

=== Problems compiling (GNUstep Internal Error) ===

If you get

GNUSTEP Internal Error:
The private GNUstep function to establish the argv and environment
variables was not called.
Please report the error to bug-gnustep@gnu.org.

when compiling the gui library, there could be several things wrong. One is that you installed the gnustep-objc library, but the compiler found another Objecive-C library (like the one that came with gcc). If you are using gcc 3.x, DO NOT use the gnustep-objc library.

There could also be a mismatch between the base and gui library versions. Make sure you have the latest release of each library installed.

=== Problems with Alt key ===

It's possible the Alt key is not where you think it is or is defined incorrectly. Try running the GSTest application, KeyboardInput test (located in the examples package at [ftp://ftp.gnustep.org/pub/gnustep/core FTP]) to test it. See [http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/User/Gui/KeyboardSetup.html keyboard setup] for information on how to change the settings.

If you are using WindowMaker, it's possible it is grabing this key and using it for itself. To check, open Window Maker's WPrefs and go to the Mouse Preferences. Then use another value for the "Mouse grab modifier" (bottom right). That will allow you to alt-drag things.

=== Problems with gcc3 ===

Don't forget you need to update binutils and libc also.

=== Problems with fonts ===

Why do the characters get changed to asterisks ('*')?

The problem you are getting come from the fact that the xlib backend (when not using Xft) will only use one fixed X font for a given font name. If the font "helvetica" is used inside of GNUstep the one selected X font, in your case "-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1" is used. So only characters (or glyphs) that are available in that font can be displayed. The selection of which font name to use happens inside the font_cacher and is more or less at random (the order fonts are listed by the X system).

You can influence the fonts that are available by setting:

defaults write NSGlobalDomain GSFontMask "*iso8859-13"
font_cacher

(or using a different character set, like iso8859-2). This is really a bug in GNUstep, but it hasn't been fixed yet.

The other option is the use the art backend, which handles fonts much better. When compiling gnustep-back, start with

./configure --enable-graphics=art

=== No characters displayed ===

When using the xlib backend, no characters are displayed in any GNUstep applications.

The xlib backend has font anti-aliasing turned on by default. It's possible that GNUstep can't find any fonts on your system that can be properly anti- aliased. Try

defaults write NSGlobalDomain GSFontAntiAlias NO

to turn off font anti-aliasing.

=== No Makefile ===

I tried to compile something and I get:

GNUmakefile:27: /Makefiles/common.make: No such file or directory
GNUmakefile:39: /Makefiles/aggregate.make: No such file or directory
gmake: *** No rule to make target `/Makefiles/aggregate.make'. Stop.

Make sure you have installed the gnustep-make package and also type something like

source /usr/GNUstep/System/Library/Makefiles/GNUstep.sh

depending on your GNUstep's installation path.

You can put this line in your `.profile' or `.bash_profile' file so that it is done automatically when you log in.

== Misc ==

=== Why don't you just have Gorm output Renaissance files? ===

Philosophical and architectural incompatibilities.

=== Is there a way to install GNUstep on Mac OS X? ===

Yes! Please see [[Platform:BSD#Mac_OS_X | MacOS X installation notes]].

=== Is there any way to use gnustep-make and gnustep-base without using openapp/opentool? ===

opentool is obsolete and you should be able to run command-line programs directly from your
shell prompt like any other command-line program.

openapp is useful to run applications but in standard situations you can also run directly
the program from within the .app folder.

=== Can GNUstep help with porting applications from MacOS-X? Is there any HOWTO on that? ===

See for example Tamsys.

=== How difficult it should be to port it to Linux and GNUstep? ===

Somehow relevant may be discussion on How to port to GNUstep Answered. Unfortunately this link is broken now. Dredge around in the google discussion group, I guess. I couldn't find anything helpful.

=== Can I deploy my GNUstep application without requiring people to install GNUstep? ===

No. Compare it to running Java applications without people requiring to install Java runtime environment.

=== How can I get more information on Objective-C ? ===

Take a look at the [[Objective-C]] page.

[[Category:FAQ]]

User FAQ

2008-01-25T18:01:34Z

Nicola: /* Is there any way to use gnustep-make and gnustep-base without using openapp/opentool? */

== GNUstep General Information ==

=== What is GNUstep? ===

GNUstep is the Free Software Foundation's effort to implement NeXT Software, Inc.'s (now Apple Computer, Inc.) [[OpenStep]] Standard. Also we are building developer and user applications based on this standard which may someday be used to form a complete desktop experience. For more details, take a look at the [[Introduction to GNUstep|introduction]].

=== What is the OpenStep standard? ===

OpenStep is an Application Programming Interface (API) for creating applications using the Objective-C language. It was published by NeXT Computer, Inc. in 1994.

OpenStep consists of three parts: the `Foundation Kit', a library of non-graphical objects; the `Application Kit', a library of objects useful in creating graphical applications; and the `Display PostScript System' (DPS), an interface for drawing to the screen using the PostScript graphics language. DPS support is not being persued at this time however.

You can obtain a copy of the OpenStep standard from the [http://www.gnustep.org GNUstep] web site or it's mirror sites.

=== What platforms does GNUstep run on? ===

See the list of [[Platform compatibility|supported platforms]] for information on what machines GNUstep builds on and what the status of the ports is. Probably a few days porting to any other UNIX system where current gcc compilers and gdb debugger work.

=== Does GNUstep run on Windows? ===

The primary targets for GNUstep are free UNIX system-based platforms such as GNU/Linux and FreeBSD.

That being said, the base library should run on Windows NT, 98, 2000, and XP with the [http://www.cygwin.com Cygwin UNIX system-emulation environment] from Cygnus, or the [http://www.mingw.org MinGW environment].

The GUI library uses the win32 backend library to work under Windows. The backend library is a thin layer that converts the GNUstep methods to handle drawing of GUI elements to calls to the Windows API. This project is currently in beta.

=== What is GNUstep's position towards KDE and the GNOME project? ===

You can use GNUstep with GNOME and/or KDE. GNUstep displays on top of X11. You can still do programming in C (since Objective-C is just a super-set of C), and when GCC gets around to it, you'll be able to mix C++ and Objective-C code in the same file.

GNUstep, is much more than a window manager or desktop environment. It frees you to develop cross-platform applications without the work of developing an OS independent framework from scratch. It gives you lots of basic functionality, from font panels to Unicode strings to distributed objects.

=== How can I get GNUstep? ===

Many distributions include packaged versions of GNUstep (Debian, etc.). To compile from scratch, download the GNUstep Startup package or take a look at the [[Platform compatibility]] list. Get the latest releases from [ftp://ftp.gnustep.org/pub/gnustep/core FTP].

=== How do you run GNUstep? ===

You are presumably under the misapprehension that GNUstep is some sort of program or window manager. It isn't! GNUstep is a whole load of things -- primarily a set of libraries for developing software. At present, it's those libraries, plus various command-line based support tools and service providing daemons, plus various GUI development tools, a GUI desktop/workspace application, etc. At no stage will you ever 'run' GNUstep -- you will run applications and tools and will make use of it's services. At some point you may well find packages distributed as 'GNUstep' systems in the way that you get 'GNU/Linux' systems packaged today. For instance, look at the [http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ GNUstep Live CD].

If you want to see a sample GUI application running you need to build GNUstep and look at the example applications in the gnustep-examples package. Build 'Finger' or 'Ink' and start it with 'openapp Finger.app' or 'openapp Ink.app'

For the best look, use WindowMaker (preferred GNUstep window manager) as your window manager.

=== Is there a web site? ===

See [http://www.gnustep.org/ GNUstep Website] and [[Main_Page | GNUstep Wiki]].

=== When is GNUstep intended to be available? ===

It's usable now. Major releases are made about every six months. However, if you are a serious developer, it's probably best to use the latest snapshots.

=== What is usable? ===

Most of GNUstep is quite usable and there are many complex applications that work well. However, GNUstep does not completely track the latest changes that Apple makes to their interface and there are still some parts that need some work). This means many applications will run quite well. Applications that require very complex text handling and some unusual features and/or some of the latest additions to Cocoa may not work as well.

== Compiling and Installing ==

=== How do I compile GNUstep on my machine? ===

Read the file 'GNUstep-HOWTO', which comes with the GNUstep distribution (gnustep-make), and also is available separately on the GNUstep web site. To check beforehand, take a look at the [[Platform compatibility]] list.

=== Are there any precompiled packages available? ===

Check the [http://www.gnustep.org/resources/sources.html Download Section] for links to RPMs, Debian packages, and BSD ports. There are also Windows installers, Mac OS X binaries and others.

=== How do I start the applications I just installed? ===

First, read http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/User/GNUstep/gnustep-howto_4.html#SEC7 to make sure you have set up your environment correctly. Then from a terminal enter:

openapp Application.app

=== What are these type and size warnings? ===

These warnings:
/usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol
`__objc_class_name_NSConstantString' are not defined
are a common occurence and are due to a mismatch between the gcc compiler and the ld linker. They don't do any harm so they can be safely ignored. They have been fixed in the 3.1 version of the GCC compiler.

=== What are these import warnings? ===

Do you get this obnoxious warning whenever you compile an application, tool, or Objective-C program:
warning: using `#import' is not recommended
[...]
Up until version 3.4 of the GCC compiler, the #import directive was improperly implemented. As a result, the compiler automatically emitted a warning whenever the #import directive was used. As of gcc 3.4, this problem has been fixed, so presumably, this warning is no longer emitted when code is compiled. If you are using an earlier compiler, you can suppress these warnings by adding -Wno-import to your include (cpp) flags.

== Compatibility and Layout ==

=== Can I run NeXT OPENSTEP or Mac OS X programs on GNUstep? ===

You can't run these programs on GNUstep, but if you have the source code for the programs, you should be able to port them to GNUstep and compile them. Whether or not you will be able to run them depends on how complete GNUstep is at the time.

=== Is GNUstep following changes to OpenStep and Mac OS X? ===

Yes, gnustep-base already contains the documented changes in the Foundation library. GNUstep aims to be compatible with both the OpenStep specification and with Mac OS X. It should be easy to write an application that compiles cleanly under both GNUstep and Cocoa.

=== Do we have to have the NEXTSTEP look and feel? ===

GNUstep is aiming for something like the NEXTSTEP 3.3 look and feel. Although we don't want to force anyone into this, a lot of the power and ease of use comes from this feel. The look of GNUstep is something different -- buttons and other widgets can look different but still act the same way. We hope to implement themes which will allow this.

For a different desktop feel please see [[Themability]].

=== What's up with the directory structure? ===

First of all, GNUstep uses a slightly different directory structure than NEXTSTEP or Mac OS X. Part of this is historical, part is because we can't do things the same way (see the section [[User FAQ#Why not use framework bundles?]]). Although currently the structure is very similar to the one used in Mac OS X.

=== Why not use framework bundles? ===

Framework bundles are much more difficult to port and to use, and are very unnatural on a UNIX system; extremely unnatural on Windows. In a framework bundle, the shared dynamic library is inside a framework wrapper directory. Because of this, the dynamic linker can't find it.

We have frameworks, so how do we work around that? Well, we build dynamic links from a directory inside the dynamic linker path into the framework, which work, but then you can't move the framework anywhere else on the system, otherwise you break the link, and nothing will find the framework any longer! On systems without dynamic links, like Windows, we can't even do this! We have to copy the library from the framework into the dynamic linker path, but that is simply a shared library then! Absolutely no difference. You put the dynamic library in a system directory in the dynamic linker path, and associate with that library a resource directory. OpenStep for Windows did that, and still called them frameworks. So we can do the same, and call our libraries frameworks.

Shared libraries are all in a flat directory where the dynamic linker can easily find them. This is how it works on Unixoids, Windows and probably most other systems. The OpenStep API requires us to provide some stuff for frameworks, like creating and registering a framework object automatically each time a framework is used (linked at runtime, or linked into the app), and attaching to it the list of classes inside the framework, which are not particularly trivial to implement and might make trouble when porting, as they depend on playing with the linker and the object file format. However, shared libraries are handled by the operating system for us, so we never have to use these facilities.

It's easier for Apple's Mac OS X. They can modify the system linker, compiler, the system dynamical linker as they please, because they have full control over the platform these run on. They can modify the system to support frameworks natively. GNUstep, however, is meant to run on many different platforms, platforms which we don't control (Windows, Sun Solaris, Darwin, GNU/Linux, UNIX system variants) and which have different linkers and do not support frameworks natively. On some systems it's difficult to just load a bundle or compile a shared library!

So building the core libraries as 'libraries' means that it's much easier to port them, and it's much more difficult to break them. Sure, frameworks have a bundle of resources associated with it -- but we can very easily associate a bundle of resource with a shared library, no reason why not. We are doing it. So please note that GNUstep libraries are meant to be much similar to Mac OS X frameworks. They are composed of a shared library and associated with a bundle of resources. There is a difference in terminology, in where the resources are installed, and possibly a slight difference in the NSBundle API to get to the resource bundle (anyway, it's a one line difference between Mac OS X and GNUstep, so it looks like very easy to <tt>#ifdef</tt>).

In other words, GNUstep libraries are meant to basically do the same as frameworks do on Mac OS X, but to be portable to very different platforms (such as Windows).

== Troubleshooting ==

=== Problems compiling (loading shared libs) ===

If you get something like

plmerge: error while loading shared libraries:
libgnustep-base.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

or this:

Making all for service example...
make[2]: *** [example.service/Resources/Info-gnustep.plist] Error 1
make[1]: *** [example.all.service.variables] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/multix/gnustep-gui-0.8.6/Tools'
make: *** [internal-all] Error 2

This means your GNU make is being overly protective. When you try to become root (e.g. to install something), certain environment variables like LD_LIBRARY_PATH are unset in order to reduce the possibility of a security breach. If you are becoming root to install something, you need to exec the GNUstep.sh file as root, just as you do when you login. Although for simplicity, you can also try this:

make LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH

You could also be having problems with gcc. gcc 2.96 does not work (Mandrake 8.1, perhaps others). Use a different compiler, like gcc 3.x.

=== Problems compiling (GNUstep Internal Error) ===

If you get

GNUSTEP Internal Error:
The private GNUstep function to establish the argv and environment
variables was not called.
Please report the error to bug-gnustep@gnu.org.

when compiling the gui library, there could be several things wrong. One is that you installed the gnustep-objc library, but the compiler found another Objecive-C library (like the one that came with gcc). If you are using gcc 3.x, DO NOT use the gnustep-objc library.

There could also be a mismatch between the base and gui library versions. Make sure you have the latest release of each library installed.

=== Problems with Alt key ===

It's possible the Alt key is not where you think it is or is defined incorrectly. Try running the GSTest application, KeyboardInput test (located in the examples package at [ftp://ftp.gnustep.org/pub/gnustep/core FTP]) to test it. See [http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/User/Gui/KeyboardSetup.html keyboard setup] for information on how to change the settings.

If you are using WindowMaker, it's possible it is grabing this key and using it for itself. To check, open Window Maker's WPrefs and go to the Mouse Preferences. Then use another value for the "Mouse grab modifier" (bottom right). That will allow you to alt-drag things.

=== Problems with gcc3 ===

Don't forget you need to update binutils and libc also.

=== Problems with fonts ===

Why do the characters get changed to asterisks ('*')?

The problem you are getting come from the fact that the xlib backend (when not using Xft) will only use one fixed X font for a given font name. If the font "helvetica" is used inside of GNUstep the one selected X font, in your case "-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1" is used. So only characters (or glyphs) that are available in that font can be displayed. The selection of which font name to use happens inside the font_cacher and is more or less at random (the order fonts are listed by the X system).

You can influence the fonts that are available by setting:

defaults write NSGlobalDomain GSFontMask "*iso8859-13"
font_cacher

(or using a different character set, like iso8859-2). This is really a bug in GNUstep, but it hasn't been fixed yet.

The other option is the use the art backend, which handles fonts much better. When compiling gnustep-back, start with

./configure --enable-graphics=art

=== No characters displayed ===

When using the xlib backend, no characters are displayed in any GNUstep applications.

The xlib backend has font anti-aliasing turned on by default. It's possible that GNUstep can't find any fonts on your system that can be properly anti- aliased. Try

defaults write NSGlobalDomain GSFontAntiAlias NO

to turn off font anti-aliasing.

=== No Makefile ===

I tried to compile something and I get:

GNUmakefile:27: /Makefiles/common.make: No such file or directory
GNUmakefile:39: /Makefiles/aggregate.make: No such file or directory
gmake: *** No rule to make target `/Makefiles/aggregate.make'. Stop.

Make sure you have installed the gnustep-make package and also type something like

source /usr/GNUstep/System/Library/Makefiles/GNUstep.sh

depending on your GNUstep's installation path.

You can put this line in your `.profile' or `.bash_profile' file so that it is done automatically when you log in.

== Misc ==

=== Why don't you just have Gorm output Renaissance files? ===

Philosophical and architectural incompatibilities.

=== Is there a way to install GNUstep on Mac OS X? ===

Yes! Please see [[Platform:BSD#Mac_OS_X | MacOS X installation notes]].

=== Is there any way to use gnustep-make and gnustep-base without using openapp/opentool? ===

opentool is obsolete and you should be able to run command-line programs directly from your
shell prompt like any other command-line program.

openapp is useful to run applications but in standard situations you can also run directly
the program from within the .app folder.

=== Can GNUstep help with porting applications from MacOS-X? Is there any HOWTO on that? ===

See for example Tamsys.

=== How difficult it should be to port it to Linux and GNUstep? ===

Somehow relevant may be discussion on How to port to GNUstep Answered. Unfortunately this link is broken now. Dredge around in the google discussion group, I guess. I couldn't find anything helpful.

=== Can I deploy my GNUstep application without requiring people to install GNUstep? ===

No. Compare it to running Java applications without people requiring to install Java runtime environment.

=== How can I get more information on Objective-C ? ===

Take a look at the [[Objective-C]] page.

[[Category:FAQ]]

FOSDEM 2008

2008-01-25T17:58:38Z

Nicola: /* Who will attend FOSDEM */

== FOSDEM 2008 Announcement ==

[http://www.fosdem.org/8 FOSDEM 2008] will take place at at the Université Libre de Bruxelles, in Brussels on the 23/24. Feb 2008.

This page is for organizing GNUstep's participation in the event. This includes the organization of a developer meeting
the Friday before FOSDEM.

Note: this year we will have just a small stand/booth but no on-site devroom (see Sun hotel). So, we have to even better prepare our stand (product demos, leaflets, T-Shirts etc.)

== Organizers ==

* Gerold Rupprecht
* Adam Fedor

== Who will attend FOSDEM ==

One of the main reasons people attend the event is that you can meet, and talk directly to, other developers, whom you would otherwise meet only virtually (on mailing lists, emails, newsgroups, IRC etc.). We expect many lead developers and contributors to be present, so if you have never met them, you shouldn't miss this occasion!

The following is a list of people of GNUstep fame who have confirmed (or denied) that they will be able to join us at the GNUstep meeting at FOSDEM 2008:

{| border="1"
! Name
! Presence
! Friday
! Saturday
! Sunday
! Special comments
|-
| Richard Frith-Macdonald || yes || late || x || x || GNUstep-base
|-
| Helge Hess || || || || || [[http://www.OpenGroupware.org OpenGroupware]]
|-
| Lars S.-Helldorf || yes || x || x || x ||
|-
| Graham Lee || || || || ||
|-
| Quentin Mathé || likely || x || x || x || Étoilé
|-
| Nicola Pero || yes || || x || x || GNUstep-make
|-
| Nicolas Roard || possibly || x || x || x || Étoilé
|-
| Jesse Ross || no || || || || Étoilé
|-
| Gerold Rupprecht || yes || x || x || x || Sponsor Saturday dinner
|-
| Gregory Casamento || || || || || GORM
|-
| Riccardo Mottola || || || || || BSD Ports, [[http://www.nongnu.org/gap/ GNUstep Application Project]], SimpleWebKit, Vespucci
|-
| Nikolaus Schaller || likely || x || x || x || mySTEP, [[http://www.quantum-step.com QuantumSTEP]], [[http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/SimpleWebKit Simple WebKit]], GSCoreData
|-
| Gürkan Sengün || yes || x || x || x || http://livecd.gnustep.org
|-
| Fred Kiefer || likely || x || x || || GNUstep-gui, back
|-
| Sašo Kiselkov || || || || || GSCoreData, DataBuilder

|}

== Suggested Hotels ==

Thanks to Nikolaus Schaller who has done some initial research as follows:

===Developer Meeting Hotel - Sun Hotel in Brussels (Belguim) ===
**Rue du Berger, 38
**1050 Brussels
(near Porte de Namur)
**Tel : +32(0)2 511 21 19
**Fax : +32(0)2 512 32 71
**sunhotel@skynet.be
**www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-al/sunhotel.htm

**50 EUR/Single room with breakfast
**22 rooms total
**3km distance to University

has internet access, will make breakfast room available for developers after 11:00 am. Two electrical plugs for breakfast room, so need extension cord with additional plugs. Ask for first or second floor rooms close to reception for good wifi connections.

=== Hotel Sabina in Brussels (Belgium)===
*Rue du Nord 78
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel: (32)2 218 26 37
*Fax: (32)2 219 32 39
(very good rating by visitors)
63 EUR/Single with breakfast
8 single only + 16 double rooms
4,2km distance

=== Hotel Mozart in Bruxelles (Belgium)===
*Rue Marché aux Fromages 23
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel +32 2 502 66 61
*Fax +32 2 502 77 58
*Email Hotel.mozart@skynet.be
http://www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-center/mozart.htm

70 EUR/Single room NO breakfast
WLAN

51 rooms total
4,2km distance

We are open to other suggestions. Please take into account distance to the University and access to public transportation.

----
A quick introduction to Brussels:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Brussel

----

FOSDEM 2008

2008-01-25T17:56:22Z

Nicola: /* Who will attend FOSDEM */

== FOSDEM 2008 Announcement ==

[http://www.fosdem.org/8 FOSDEM 2008] will take place at at the Université Libre de Bruxelles, in Brussels on the 23/24. Feb 2008.

This page is for organizing GNUstep's participation in the event. This includes the organization of a developer meeting
the Friday before FOSDEM.

Note: this year we will have just a small stand/booth but no on-site devroom (see Sun hotel). So, we have to even better prepare our stand (product demos, leaflets, T-Shirts etc.)

== Organizers ==

* Gerold Rupprecht
* Adam Fedor

== Who will attend FOSDEM ==

One of the main reasons people attend the event is that you can meet, and talk directly to, other developers, whom you would otherwise meet only virtually (on mailing lists, emails, newsgroups, IRC etc.). We expect many lead developers and contributors to be present, so if you have never met them, you shouldn't miss this occasion!

The following is a list of people of GNUstep fame who have confirmed (or denied) that they will be able to join us at the GNUstep meeting at FOSDEM 2008:

{| border="1"
! Name
! Presence
! Friday
! Saturday
! Sunday
! Special comments
|-
| Richard Frith-Macdonald || yes || late || x || x || GNUstep-base
|-
| Helge Hess || || || || || [[http://www.OpenGroupware.org OpenGroupware]]
|-
| Lars S.-Helldorf || yes || x || x || x ||
|-
| Graham Lee || || || || ||
|-
| Quentin Mathé || likely || x || x || x || Étoilé
|-
| Nicola Pero || yes || || || || GNUstep-make
|-
| Nicolas Roard || possibly || x || x || x || Étoilé
|-
| Jesse Ross || no || || || || Étoilé
|-
| Gerold Rupprecht || yes || x || x || x || Sponsor Saturday dinner
|-
| Gregory Casamento || || || || || GORM
|-
| Riccardo Mottola || || || || || BSD Ports, [[http://www.nongnu.org/gap/ GNUstep Application Project]], SimpleWebKit, Vespucci
|-
| Nikolaus Schaller || likely || x || x || x || mySTEP, [[http://www.quantum-step.com QuantumSTEP]], [[http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/SimpleWebKit Simple WebKit]], GSCoreData
|-
| Gürkan Sengün || yes || x || x || x || http://livecd.gnustep.org
|-
| Fred Kiefer || likely || x || x || || GNUstep-gui, back
|-
| Sašo Kiselkov || || || || || GSCoreData, DataBuilder

|}

== Suggested Hotels ==

Thanks to Nikolaus Schaller who has done some initial research as follows:

===Developer Meeting Hotel - Sun Hotel in Brussels (Belguim) ===
**Rue du Berger, 38
**1050 Brussels
(near Porte de Namur)
**Tel : +32(0)2 511 21 19
**Fax : +32(0)2 512 32 71
**sunhotel@skynet.be
**www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-al/sunhotel.htm

**50 EUR/Single room with breakfast
**22 rooms total
**3km distance to University

has internet access, will make breakfast room available for developers after 11:00 am. Two electrical plugs for breakfast room, so need extension cord with additional plugs. Ask for first or second floor rooms close to reception for good wifi connections.

=== Hotel Sabina in Brussels (Belgium)===
*Rue du Nord 78
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel: (32)2 218 26 37
*Fax: (32)2 219 32 39
(very good rating by visitors)
63 EUR/Single with breakfast
8 single only + 16 double rooms
4,2km distance

=== Hotel Mozart in Bruxelles (Belgium)===
*Rue Marché aux Fromages 23
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel +32 2 502 66 61
*Fax +32 2 502 77 58
*Email Hotel.mozart@skynet.be
http://www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-center/mozart.htm

70 EUR/Single room NO breakfast
WLAN

51 rooms total
4,2km distance

We are open to other suggestions. Please take into account distance to the University and access to public transportation.

----
A quick introduction to Brussels:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Brussel

----

FOSDEM 2008

2008-01-25T17:55:36Z

Nicola: /* Who will attend FOSDEM */

== FOSDEM 2008 Announcement ==

[http://www.fosdem.org/8 FOSDEM 2008] will take place at at the Université Libre de Bruxelles, in Brussels on the 23/24. Feb 2008.

This page is for organizing GNUstep's participation in the event. This includes the organization of a developer meeting
the Friday before FOSDEM.

Note: this year we will have just a small stand/booth but no on-site devroom (see Sun hotel). So, we have to even better prepare our stand (product demos, leaflets, T-Shirts etc.)

== Organizers ==

* Gerold Rupprecht
* Adam Fedor

== Who will attend FOSDEM ==

One of the main reasons people attend the event is that you can meet, and talk directly to, other developers, whom you would otherwise meet only virtually (on mailing lists, emails, newsgroups, IRC etc.). We expect many lead developers and contributors to be present, so if you have never met them, you shouldn't miss this occasion!

The following is a list of people of GNUstep fame who have confirmed (or denied) that they will be able to join us at the GNUstep meeting at FOSDEM 2008:

{| border="1"
! Name
! Presence
! Friday
! Saturday
! Sunday
! Special comments
|-
| Richard Frith-Macdonald || yes || late || x || x || GNUstep-base
|-
| Helge Hess || || || || || [[http://www.OpenGroupware.org OpenGroupware]]
|-
| Lars S.-Helldorf || yes || x || x || x ||
|-
| Graham Lee || || || || ||
|-
| Quentin Mathé || likely || x || x || x || Étoilé
|-
| Nicola Pero | yes | || || || || GNUstep-make
|-
| Nicolas Roard || possibly || x || x || x || Étoilé
|-
| Jesse Ross || no || || || || Étoilé
|-
| Gerold Rupprecht || yes || x || x || x || Sponsor Saturday dinner
|-
| Gregory Casamento || || || || || GORM
|-
| Riccardo Mottola || || || || || BSD Ports, [[http://www.nongnu.org/gap/ GNUstep Application Project]], SimpleWebKit, Vespucci
|-
| Nikolaus Schaller || likely || x || x || x || mySTEP, [[http://www.quantum-step.com QuantumSTEP]], [[http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/SimpleWebKit Simple WebKit]], GSCoreData
|-
| Gürkan Sengün || yes || x || x || x || http://livecd.gnustep.org
|-
| Fred Kiefer || likely || x || x || || GNUstep-gui, back
|-
| Sašo Kiselkov || || || || || GSCoreData, DataBuilder

|}

== Suggested Hotels ==

Thanks to Nikolaus Schaller who has done some initial research as follows:

===Developer Meeting Hotel - Sun Hotel in Brussels (Belguim) ===
**Rue du Berger, 38
**1050 Brussels
(near Porte de Namur)
**Tel : +32(0)2 511 21 19
**Fax : +32(0)2 512 32 71
**sunhotel@skynet.be
**www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-al/sunhotel.htm

**50 EUR/Single room with breakfast
**22 rooms total
**3km distance to University

has internet access, will make breakfast room available for developers after 11:00 am. Two electrical plugs for breakfast room, so need extension cord with additional plugs. Ask for first or second floor rooms close to reception for good wifi connections.

=== Hotel Sabina in Brussels (Belgium)===
*Rue du Nord 78
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel: (32)2 218 26 37
*Fax: (32)2 219 32 39
(very good rating by visitors)
63 EUR/Single with breakfast
8 single only + 16 double rooms
4,2km distance

=== Hotel Mozart in Bruxelles (Belgium)===
*Rue Marché aux Fromages 23
*B-1000 Brussels
*Tel +32 2 502 66 61
*Fax +32 2 502 77 58
*Email Hotel.mozart@skynet.be
http://www.hotels-belgium.com/brussel-center/mozart.htm

70 EUR/Single room NO breakfast
WLAN

51 rooms total
4,2km distance

We are open to other suggestions. Please take into account distance to the University and access to public transportation.

----
A quick introduction to Brussels:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Brussel

----